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Post by laker8la on Apr 10, 2018 22:12:17 GMT
----If Toles were in the majors, he probably would get playing time against righties, since Matt Kemp is off to a slow start and Joc would be in the minors where he belongs and cannot hit lefties to save his life (this has proven by a few years worth of data now).------- But the idea is that he hasn't played in a year and he needs to play EVERY DAY. That has been explained to you many times. You just can't grasp it. ----- I can't predict if the Dodgers would have more wins or losses based on that decision, but I can tell you that Joc has failed yet again to prove he deserves to be on the team. I can prove that Doc HAD to put in Font in 2 save situations because he ran out of pitchers, and both times they lost. If they had Liberatore on the team, I bet they win both of those games. -------- Ok, then PROVE IT. Nobody plays every day on the Dodgers- in case you haven't noticed- but he would play enough to make it worth his while.....probably just as much as he's going to play in AAA. I grasp it just fine. You are obviously a front office apologist because no matter what I say you will defend their decision to the bitter end. We just disagree, so I will leave it at that. Your argument is ridiculous. You prove to me that the Dodgers have a better record today because of their roster decision. You can't! And neither can I. We are just speculating. I, however, did go out on a limb and predict the Dodgers would get off to a slow start and that Wilmer Font would suck. I believe I can say I was right on both fronts. |
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Post by 88bulldog on Apr 10, 2018 22:15:13 GMT
----If Toles were in the majors, he probably would get playing time against righties, since Matt Kemp is off to a slow start and Joc would be in the minors where he belongs and cannot hit lefties to save his life (this has proven by a few years worth of data now).------- But the idea is that he hasn't played in a year and he needs to play EVERY DAY. That has been explained to you many times. You just can't grasp it. ----- I can't predict if the Dodgers would have more wins or losses based on that decision, but I can tell you that Joc has failed yet again to prove he deserves to be on the team. I can prove that Doc HAD to put in Font in 2 save situations because he ran out of pitchers, and both times they lost. If they had Liberatore on the team, I bet they win both of those games. -------- Ok, then PROVE IT. Nobody plays every day on the Dodgers- in case you haven't noticed- but he would play enough to make it worth his while.....probably just as much as he's going to play in AAA. I grasp it just fine. You are obviously a front office apologist because no matter what I say you will defend their decision to the bitter end. We just disagree, so I will leave it at that. Your argument is ridiculous. You prove to me that the Dodgers have a better record today because of their roster decision. You can't! And neither can I. We are just speculating. I, however, did go out on a limb and predict the Dodgers would get off to a slow start and that Wilmer Font would suck. I believe I can say I was right on both fronts. Exactly. So he plays every day at AAA to shake off the rust and get at bats vs. lefties as well. You really can't get this point, can you? and I don't need to prove anything to you. You do to me. You made the statement. Now PROVE IT. |
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Post by laker8la on Apr 10, 2018 22:23:29 GMT
Nobody plays every day on the Dodgers- in case you haven't noticed- but he would play enough to make it worth his while.....probably just as much as he's going to play in AAA. I grasp it just fine. You are obviously a front office apologist because no matter what I say you will defend their decision to the bitter end. We just disagree, so I will leave it at that. Your argument is ridiculous. You prove to me that the Dodgers have a better record today because of their roster decision. You can't! And neither can I. We are just speculating. I, however, did go out on a limb and predict the Dodgers would get off to a slow start and that Wilmer Font would suck. I believe I can say I was right on both fronts. Exactly. So he plays every day at AAA to shake off the rust and get at bats vs. lefties as well. You really can't get this point, can you? and I don't need to prove anything to you. You do to me. You made the statement. Now PROVE IT. He had spring training to "shake off the rust". He was already hitting better than Joc and you know it! It's my opinion that he should have made the team and played ALMOST every day for the Dodgers. He's not going to play every day in the minors dude. He's going to play a few games and then get a day off. It's the Dodger's way. You really can't get my point, can you? I don't need to prove jack s$it to you either. The proof is in the pudding- the Dodgers are 3-6 and Joc is hitting .133, while Wilmer Font is 0-2 with an 8.44 ERA, a blown save, and a WHIP of 1.88! I'll go out on another limb and say that Wilmer Font will not be on the active roster in about a month, because he is a piece of dung, like I said all along, and when they DFA him, I want you to come on here and say I was right. Another prediction- you won't admit that. |
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Post by 88bulldog on Apr 10, 2018 22:31:11 GMT
He had spring training to "shake off the rust".
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It's just not part of your level of comprehension. It's too bad.
Read what he said about it and maybe that will help.
Smh...
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Post by laker8la on Apr 10, 2018 22:33:16 GMT
"Which brings me to my next point. It's time to give up on Joc Pederson. Send him down, trade him, do something. Bring up Andrew Toles to replace him. Pederson looks lost at the plate and in the field. He hasn't been a good hitter for a while now. I know that "he's a great cheerleader and positive person to have on the bench." Maybe the Dodgers can give him some pompoms and let him do what he does best." From this article: www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/la-sp-dodgers-dugout-slump-20180410-story.htmlThey haven't even played one game in AAA yet, and already Toles should be up? Wait, wait he needs to shake off the rust bulldog? You keep doing what you think you are good at- nitpicking what others say- but what I said two weeks ago about the roster is much more accurate than you give me credit for. That's a you problem. |
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Post by Blunashun on Apr 10, 2018 22:44:21 GMT
"while Wilmer Font is 0-2 with an 8.44 ERA, a blown save, and a WHIP of 1.88!"
Font very well may turn out to be a pile of "dung." But it hasn't been proven here.
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Post by laker8la on Apr 10, 2018 22:52:23 GMT
"while Wilmer Font is 0-2 with an 8.44 ERA, a blown save, and a WHIP of 1.88!" Font very well may turn out to be a pile of "dung." But it hasn't been proven here. If he hasn't proven it yet, with his horrific spring training and his awful start to the season, plus his other opportunities to pitch in the majors, then I don't know what more you need to see. For me it's quite obvious that he just doesn't have it. He's 27 years old and other than one season in the minors, he hasn't really fared well at all. It's time to move on. He never should have made the major league team, IMO. |
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Post by Blunashun on Apr 10, 2018 23:03:29 GMT
"while Wilmer Font is 0-2 with an 8.44 ERA, a blown save, and a WHIP of 1.88!" Font very well may turn out to be a pile of "dung." But it hasn't been proven here. If he hasn't proven it yet, with his horrific spring training and his awful start to the season, plus his other opportunities to pitch in the majors, then I don't know what more you need to see. For me it's quite obvious that he just doesn't have it. He's 27 years old and other than one season in the minors, he hasn't really fared well at all. It's time to move on. He never should have made the major league team, IMO. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ So you ignore his first outing, the fact he gave up those winning runs in the fifth inning of his second game (when he was forced to throw 74 pitches), & why is it everyone who predicts doom & gloom punctuates their sentences with something like this? "like I said all along," Is there a prize for being 'right' in this scenario? They can always come back later & say they're super glad they were wrong in this particular instance. But we still get something that looks suspiciously like crowing before then. Everyone thought Joe Blanton would suck for us. He still had a good year. Then the Dodgers knew when to cut bait. People wondered what we would do without Joe Blanton. You predict that? |
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Post by Blunashun on Apr 10, 2018 23:13:13 GMT
Font had a 3.38 ERA & 1.31 WHIP after his first two appearances. Those numbers were inflated a bit by being forced to go into the fifth inning of his second outing because Kenley Jansen blew the save. I dunno. That doesn't look very 'dungish' to me. Not stellar. Stellar wasn't expected out of Wilmer though.
He's had THREE appearances. Let's find out what he has before shouting out we were 'right' in our predictions.
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Post by laker8la on Apr 10, 2018 23:23:06 GMT
laker8la said:If he hasn't proven it yet, with his horrific spring training and his awful start to the season, plus his other opportunities to pitch in the majors, then I don't know what more you need to see. For me it's quite obvious that he just doesn't have it. He's 27 years old and other than one season in the minors, he hasn't really fared well at all. It's time to move on. He never should have made the major league team, IMO. blunashun said:So you ignore his first outing, the fact he gave up those winning runs in the fifth inning of his second game (when he was forced to throw 74 pitches), & why is it everyone who predicts doom & gloom punctuates their sentences with something like this? "like I said all along," Is there a prize for being 'right' in this scenario? They can always come back later & say they're super glad they were wrong in this particular instance. But we still get something that looks suspiciously like crowing before then. Everyone thought Joe Blanton would suck for us. He still had a good year. Then the Dodgers knew when to cut bait. People wondered what we would do without Joe Blanton. You predict that? I am not ignoring his first outing. He has always been a starter so he should be able to go 5+ innings and 75+ pitches. Don't make excuses for him. He was also pitching in extra innings where everyone he is facing is a bit tired. He had an opportunity to win that game and he choked it away. He followed that up with another extra inning appearance in which he had a lead, and he failed to get an out and gave up a three-run bomb to lose it. Again, I am not predicting doom and gloom- that's your narrative you are trying to force on me. As a matter of fact, the Dodgers, IMO will again win the division. I am predicting that Wilmer Font will not be on the roster by May 10th, one month from now. When he's gone, I want you to acknowledge that I was right. If he's still on the team, I will own up to it. I'm not looking for a prize. Is there a prize on nitpicking every single thing that is said that you don't personally agree with it? Are you on the Dodgers' payroll and is your job to defend anything negative against any player on the Dodgers? Or can we just have a civil debate on a message board like decent human beings? Why do you and bulldog feel the need to debunk everything I say? |
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Post by laker8la on Apr 10, 2018 23:26:12 GMT
Font had a 3.38 ERA & 1.31 WHIP after his first two appearances. Those numbers were inflated a bit by being forced to go into the fifth inning of his second outing because Kenley Jansen blew the save. I dunno. That doesn't look very 'dungish' to me. Not stellar. Stellar wasn't expected out of Wilmer though. He's had THREE appearances. Let's find out what he has before shouting out we were 'right' in our predictions. Font had a 0.00 ERA after his first appearance. So what? In the long run, he will have ugly numbers because his stuff is not good and he lacks command. That is my opinion. I can certainly respect your opinion if you would like to take the opposing view. Why do you think Font will be on the roster long term? |
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Post by clyde714 on Apr 10, 2018 23:26:48 GMT
Right on, dude, EVERY game and EVERY roster move DOES matter! I find it weird that some people don't get that! Another aspect to consider, that most don't even think about, is the unexpected effect of those decisions down the road. For example, let's say the Dodgers go 5-5 over their next 10 games. They end that stretch at 8-11. They're still under .500, so the decision of who pitches the next game is still VERY important, and you can bet that Kershaw, Wood, Hill, etc. are anxious to take the ball, no matter what, and that Doc wants his best arm on the mount to win that game. On the other hand, if they Dodgers were 6-3, then went 5-5, they'd be 11-8, 3 games over .500. Not a great record, but at least a winning record. Now about that next game - what if the scheduled pitcher isn't feeling 100%? With your winning record, you might want to give him the night off and go with someone else so he can recover quicker. The "pressure" to win is slightly less so you will "risk" the loss because you'll still be over .500 if you lose. Put another way, your decision about who pitches the 20th game of the year is predicated, in part, on the # of games won in the first 9. And you didn't even know it until you finished game 19. Winning records give teams some flexibility that losing records do not. And that flexibility allows the teams to give some players more rest, more time to heal, etc., that helps them continuing their winning ways later on. Losing records almost force teams to put their "best" 9 on the field every night and hope for the best. Totally different mindset, and totally different execution. Baseball,is the wrong sport for you. try football. Youre not getting it.  |
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Post by speedcity on Apr 10, 2018 23:32:02 GMT
"while Wilmer Font is 0-2 with an 8.44 ERA, a blown save, and a WHIP of 1.88!" Font very well may turn out to be a pile of "dung." But it hasn't been proven here. If he hasn't proven it yet, with his horrific spring training and his awful start to the season, plus his other opportunities to pitch in the majors, then I don't know what more you need to see. For me it's quite obvious that he just doesn't have it. He's 27 years old and other than one season in the minors, he hasn't really fared well at all. It's time to move on. He never should have made the major league team, IMO. In reality, he had one terrible outing. Other then that he tossed a scoreless inning, and in his second outing gave up 2 runs in his FIFTH inning. He might very well be terrible, but you’re jumping the gun a little bit. Fact of the matter is they should see what the have before cutting a reliever loose. I mean I didn’t see anybody here complaining about Morrow last year, even though he was called up because of an opt out clause in his deal. Sometimes guys like this work out, sometimes they don’t. |
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Post by Blunashun on Apr 10, 2018 23:38:56 GMT
"I am not ignoring his first outing." Sure you did. You made a note of his high ERA & WHIP & proclaimed 'victory.' You completely ignored the circumstances. "He has always been a starter so he should be able to go 5+ innings and 75+ pitches." How many games has he started this year? Blanton was a starter at one time too. How would you imagine a starter trains as opposed to a reliever? "Don't make excuses for him." What? "He was also pitching in extra innings where everyone he is facing is a bit tired." So they can get tired & Wilmer can't? Interesting. I've never heard that theory espoused before. "He had an opportunity to win that game and he choked it away." Like Kenley choked the save away? When did Wilmer have a lead to choke away? I thought it was tied because of Jansen. "He followed that up with another extra inning appearance in which he had a lead, and he failed to get an out and gave up a three-run bomb to lose it." Then Font has one blown save. Just like Jansen. "Again, I am not predicting doom and gloom" Could have fooled 75% of this board. "that's your narrative you are trying to force on me." Just like you predicted. "As a matter of fact, the Dodgers, IMO will again win the division. I am predicting that Wilmer Font will not be on the roster by May 10th, one month from now." With Buehler & others waiting in the wings, not particularly bold. But okay. "When he's gone, I want you to acknowledge that I was right." But of course. That's what's important here. "If he's still on the team, I will own up to it." And say you were happy to be wrong THIS time. "I'm not looking for a prize." I have a cookie. Oatmeal chocolate chip. "Is there a prize on nitpicking every single thing that is said that you don't personally agree with it?" Where have I been picking on you? "Are you on the Dodgers' payroll and is your job to defend anything negative against any player on the Dodgers?" What if I was? Are they the enemy now? "Or can we just have a civil debate on a message board like decent human beings?" You tell me. So far you've been pretty darn provocative. "Why do you and bulldog feel the need to debunk everything I say?" Because I'm a Dodger fan. Not a fan of being 'right.' |
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Post by Blunashun on Apr 10, 2018 23:40:06 GMT
"In reality, he had one terrible outing. Other then that he tossed a scoreless inning, and in his second outing gave up 2 runs in his FIFTH inning. He might very well be terrible, but you’re jumping the gun a little bit.
Fact of the matter is they should see what the have before cutting a reliever loose. I mean I didn’t see anybody here complaining about Morrow last year, even though he was called up because of an opt out clause in his deal. Sometimes guys like this work out, sometimes they don’t."
This.
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