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Post by speedcity on Mar 30, 2018 22:37:25 GMT
Saying someone is complaining about something dumb is not the same as calling them dumb..... Look man, calling something I said dumb, or calling me dumb is basically the same thing. I came to this board to avoid that kind of nonsense. I had an opinion, you could disagree, but there is no need to get personal. I don't get personal with people I disagree with. And for the record, I don't think being concerned about roster moves is a "dumb" thing. I worry that the Dodgers are going to come out of the gates slowly because they have the wrong guys on the roster. It's just an opinion. It is not the the same thing; I have certainly complained about “dumb” things in the past, everybody does. But if I offended you with that, I’m sorry. The hyper attention to the opening day roster has just always been very annoying to me; the roster changes so often that I just don’t see why it’s important who starts the season where. The cream will rise to the top. For example, it’s not like Bellinger or Taylor starting on the 25 man roster last year would have made any difference in the end result of the season. |
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Post by 88bulldog on Mar 30, 2018 22:41:19 GMT
For example, it’s not like Bellinger or Taylor starting on the 25 man roster last year would have made any difference in the end result of the season.
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Post by laker8la on Apr 3, 2018 17:15:57 GMT
Look man, calling something I said dumb, or calling me dumb is basically the same thing. I came to this board to avoid that kind of nonsense. I had an opinion, you could disagree, but there is no need to get personal. I don't get personal with people I disagree with. And for the record, I don't think being concerned about roster moves is a "dumb" thing. I worry that the Dodgers are going to come out of the gates slowly because they have the wrong guys on the roster. It's just an opinion. It is not the the same thing; I have certainly complained about “dumb” things in the past, everybody does. But if I offended you with that, I’m sorry. The hyper attention to the opening day roster has just always been very annoying to me; the roster changes so often that I just don’t see why it’s important who starts the season where. The cream will rise to the top. For example, it’s not like Bellinger or Taylor starting on the 25 man roster last year would have made any difference in the end result of the season. Yes, last year they couldn't do any better than having the best record in the league going into the playoffs. But that doesn't mean that it will work out that way this season. I'm not overly concerned about it, but I just think it's unfair to Toles and other guys who earned that spot and then get sent down for BS reasons. Toles was our starting outfielder before his injury. He came back from his injury and outplayed his competition in Joc to make the roster but he got punked by management. Why does Joc get chance after chance after chance? I just don't understand the move. Joc should be in AAA figuring out his swing and Toles should be in the majors in a platoon with Kemp in LF (and spelling Taylor in CF). Playing time is a weak excuse because he would have had plenty of it. |
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Post by laker8la on Apr 10, 2018 15:02:45 GMT
Just curious, was it still dumb of me to be concerned about Wilmer Font making this team? Already cost us 2 wins. And how's Joc doing? Would the team be better with Toles on the roster? Just curious. Roster decisions MATTER- anytime of the year.
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Post by 88bulldog on Apr 10, 2018 17:20:45 GMT
Just curious, was it still dumb of me to be concerned about Wilmer Font making this team? Already cost us 2 wins. And how's Joc doing? Would the team be better with Toles on the roster? Just curious. Roster decisions MATTER- anytime of the year. Stop panicking. It's April 10th. These things will take care of themselves. Toles was sent down because he needs to play everyday right now. That has already been explained. |
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Post by laker8la on Apr 10, 2018 18:20:34 GMT
Just curious, was it still dumb of me to be concerned about Wilmer Font making this team? Already cost us 2 wins. And how's Joc doing? Would the team be better with Toles on the roster? Just curious. Roster decisions MATTER- anytime of the year. Stop panicking. It's April 10th. These things will take care of themselves. Toles was sent down because he needs to play everyday right now. That has already been explained. I'm not panicking, lol. Just saying- every game matters and every roster move matters. Downplaying it doesn't make you wiser dude. I took a lot of flack for bitching about the roster decisions, so I'm just defending why. |
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Post by speedcity on Apr 10, 2018 18:37:02 GMT
Just curious, was it still dumb of me to be concerned about Wilmer Font making this team? Already cost us 2 wins. And how's Joc doing? Would the team be better with Toles on the roster? Just curious. Roster decisions MATTER- anytime of the year. Teams aren’t ran like you want them to be, and they never will be. Players out of options are going to get a shot, many teams would prefer a guy like Toles start the season getting regular ABs over sporadic playing time in the majors. So you can chose to understand the rationale of why these decisions are made, or you can get pissed off every year when a winning franchise makes these choices. |
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Post by clyde714 on Apr 10, 2018 18:58:14 GMT
I'm not panicking, lol. Just saying- every game matters and every roster move matters. Downplaying it doesn't make you wiser dude. I took a lot of flack for the b wording about the roster decisions, so I'm just defending why. Right on, dude, EVERY game and EVERY roster move DOES matter! I find it weird that some people don't get that! Another aspect to consider, that most don't even think about, is the unexpected effect of those decisions down the road. For example, let's say the Dodgers go 5-5 over their next 10 games. They end that stretch at 8-11. They're still under .500, so the decision of who pitches the next game is still VERY important, and you can bet that Kershaw, Wood, Hill, etc. are anxious to take the ball, no matter what, and that Doc wants his best arm on the mount to win that game. On the other hand, if they Dodgers were 6-3, then went 5-5, they'd be 11-8, 3 games over .500. Not a great record, but at least a winning record. Now about that next game - what if the scheduled pitcher isn't feeling 100%? With your winning record, you might want to give him the night off and go with someone else so he can recover quicker. The "pressure" to win is slightly less so you will "risk" the loss because you'll still be over .500 if you lose. Put another way, your decision about who pitches the 20th game of the year is predicated, in part, on the # of games won in the first 9. And you didn't even know it until you finished game 19. Winning records give teams some flexibility that losing records do not. And that flexibility allows the teams to give some players more rest, more time to heal, etc., that helps them continuing their winning ways later on. Losing records almost force teams to put their "best" 9 on the field every night and hope for the best. Totally different mindset, and totally different execution. |
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Post by 88bulldog on Apr 10, 2018 19:12:52 GMT
Stop panicking. It's April 10th. These things will take care of themselves. Toles was sent down because he needs to play everyday right now. That has already been explained. I'm not panicking, lol. Just saying- every game matters and every roster move matters. Downplaying it doesn't make you wiser dude. I took a lot of flack for the b wording about the roster decisions, so I'm just defending why. That's great. Prove to me that Toles not being here now would have made a difference. There is a reason he started at AAA. A perfectly good one, you just aren't bright enough to get it. |
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Post by 88bulldog on Apr 10, 2018 19:14:00 GMT
I'm not panicking, lol. Just saying- every game matters and every roster move matters. Downplaying it doesn't make you wiser dude. I took a lot of flack for the b wording about the roster decisions, so I'm just defending why. Right on, dude, EVERY game and EVERY roster move DOES matter! I find it weird that some people don't get that! Another aspect to consider, that most don't even think about, is the unexpected effect of those decisions down the road. For example, let's say the Dodgers go 5-5 over their next 10 games. They end that stretch at 8-11. They're still under .500, so the decision of who pitches the next game is still VERY important, and you can bet that Kershaw, Wood, Hill, etc. are anxious to take the ball, no matter what, and that Doc wants his best arm on the mount to win that game. On the other hand, if they Dodgers were 6-3, then went 5-5, they'd be 11-8, 3 games over .500. Not a great record, but at least a winning record. Now about that next game - what if the scheduled pitcher isn't feeling 100%? With your winning record, you might want to give him the night off and go with someone else so he can recover quicker. The "pressure" to win is slightly less so you will "risk" the loss because you'll still be over .500 if you lose. Put another way, your decision about who pitches the 20th game of the year is predicated, in part, on the # of games won in the first 9. And you didn't even know it until you finished game 19. Winning records give teams some flexibility that losing records do not. And that flexibility allows the teams to give some players more rest, more time to heal, etc., that helps them continuing their winning ways later on. Losing records almost force teams to put their "best" 9 on the field every night and hope for the best. Totally different mindset, and totally different execution. Baseball,is the wrong sport for you. try football. Youre not getting it. |
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Post by laker8la on Apr 10, 2018 20:01:12 GMT
I'm not panicking, lol. Just saying- every game matters and every roster move matters. Downplaying it doesn't make you wiser dude. I took a lot of flack for the b wording about the roster decisions, so I'm just defending why. That's great. Prove to me that Toles not being here now would have made a difference. There is a reason he started at AAA. A perfectly good one, you just aren't bright enough to get it. LOL, right to the insults. Love it. If Toles were in the majors, he probably would get playing time against righties, since Matt Kemp is off to a slow start and Joc would be in the minors where he belongs and cannot hit lefties to save his life (this has proven by a few years worth of data now). I can't predict if the Dodgers would have more wins or losses based on that decision, but I can tell you that Joc has failed yet again to prove he deserves to be on the team. I can prove that Doc HAD to put in Font in 2 save situations because he ran out of pitchers, and both times they lost. If they had Liberatore on the team, I bet they win both of those games. |
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Post by speedcity on Apr 10, 2018 20:48:57 GMT
That's great. Prove to me that Toles not being here now would have made a difference. There is a reason he started at AAA. A perfectly good one, you just aren't bright enough to get it. LOL, right to the insults. Love it. If Toles were in the majors, he probably would get playing time against righties, since Matt Kemp is off to a slow start and Joc would be in the minors where he belongs and cannot hit lefties to save his life (this has proven by a few years worth of data now). I can't predict if the Dodgers would have more wins or losses based on that decision, but I can tell you that Joc has failed yet again to prove he deserves to be on the team. I can prove that Doc HAD to put in Font in 2 save situations because he ran out of pitchers, and both times they lost. If they had Liberatore on the team, I bet they win both of those games. Well In one of the games Font gave up the winning run in his, what? Fourth inning? Liberatore isn’t pitching four innings. |
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Post by Blunashun on Apr 10, 2018 21:11:39 GMT
Just curious, was it still dumb of me to be concerned about Wilmer Font making this team? Already cost us 2 wins. And how's Joc doing? Would the team be better with Toles on the roster? Just curious. Roster decisions MATTER- anytime of the year. That's unfair. Font was doing well. He wound up throwing 74 pitches that one outing. More than some starters. |
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Post by Blunashun on Apr 10, 2018 21:24:04 GMT
www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.fcgi?id=fontwi01&t=p&year=2018Two out of three outings were good. Bottom of the 9th, Diamondbacks Batting, Behind 3-6, Dodgers' Kenley Jansen facing 1-2-3 Paul Goldschmidt Kenley Jansen 1% 2% Walk Kenley Jansen 0% 2% Defensive Indifference; Goldschmidt to 2B A.J. Pollock Kenley Jansen 3% 5% Walk Chris Owings Kenley Jansen 49% 54% Home Run (Fly Ball to Deep LF); Goldschmidt Scores; Pollock Scores Bottom of the 11th, Diamondbacks Batting, Tied 6-6, Dodgers' Wilmer Font facing 2-3-4 Ketel Marte Wilmer Font -6% 59% Flyball: LF Paul Goldschmidt Wilmer Font -5% 54% Strikeout Looking A.J. Pollock Wilmer Font -4% 50% Strikeout Swinging Bottom of the 12th, Diamondbacks Batting, Tied 6-6, Dodgers' Wilmer Font facing 5-6-7 Chris Owings Wilmer Font -6% 59% Strikeout Looking Jake Lamb Wilmer Font 6% 65% Single to 2B (Ground Ball) Nick Ahmed Wilmer Font -8% 57% Flyball: RF (RF Line) Alex Avila Wilmer Font -7% 50% Lamb Caught Stealing 2B (C-SS) Bottom of the 13th, Diamondbacks Batting, Tied 6-6, Dodgers' Wilmer Font facing 8-9-1 Alex Avila Wilmer Font -6% 59% Lineout: 2B (Deep 2B) Fernando Salas Wilmer Font -5% 54% Groundout: 2B-1B David Peralta Wilmer Font -4% 50% Flyball: LF (Deep LF Line) Bottom of the 14th, Diamondbacks Batting, Tied 6-6, Dodgers' Wilmer Font facing 2-3-4 Ketel Marte Wilmer Font 7% 72% Single to SS (Ground Ball) Paul Goldschmidt Wilmer Font -8% 65% Flyball: RF (Deep CF-RF) A.J. Pollock Wilmer Font -15% 50% Double Play: Flyball: RF (Deep RF Line); Marte out at 2B/RF-SS Four shutout innings. Bottom of the 15th, Diamondbacks Batting, Behind 6-7, Dodgers' Wilmer Font facing 5-6-7 Chris Owings Wilmer Font -10% 13% Strikeout Swinging Jake Lamb Wilmer Font 10% 23% Single to RF (Ground Ball) Wilmer Font 48% 71% Double to CF (Line Drive to Deep LF-CF); Lamb Scores Alex Avila Wilmer Font 1% 72% Intentional Walk Jeff Mathis pinch hits for Fernando Salas (P) batting 9th Jeff Mathis Wilmer Font 28% 100% Single to CF (Line Drive to Deep CF); Ahmed Scores; Avila to 2B
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Post by 88bulldog on Apr 10, 2018 22:06:55 GMT
----If Toles were in the majors, he probably would get playing time against righties, since Matt Kemp is off to a slow start and Joc would be in the minors where he belongs and cannot hit lefties to save his life (this has proven by a few years worth of data now).-------
But the idea is that he hasn't played in a year and he needs to play EVERY DAY. That has been explained to you many times. You just can't grasp it.
----- I can't predict if the Dodgers would have more wins or losses based on that decision, but I can tell you that Joc has failed yet again to prove he deserves to be on the team. I can prove that Doc HAD to put in Font in 2 save situations because he ran out of pitchers, and both times they lost. If they had Liberatore on the team, I bet they win both of those games. --------
Ok, then PROVE IT.
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