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Post by Blunashun on Oct 18, 2022 16:44:53 GMT
I blame Roberts. Not solely, of course. Pitchers have to get outs. Our hitters were stymied. But surely your manager doesn't need to compound that by sabotaging his own team. Dave went to the bullpen too early. Anderson had been brilliant. Almonte started out poorly, but then got Machado out on strikes & induced a pop-up. He was looking strong at that point. Cronenworth showed bunt & took a ball from Almonte. T hen Dave brought in Vesia to play that tired old matchup game. Vesia inherited a 1-0 count. Who does that? He could have brought in Phillips. But then Evan is right-handed. We wouldn't want to do that. What would Friedman say? Roberts let a pitcher who hadn't entirely warmed up inherit a count. Save Phillips for a save situation? Let's try to make sure we get to a save situation. Friedman is a brilliant man. His ego might be in the way though. I saw the dugout phone ring at one point. Who was calling the dugout? It didn't look like the dugout initiated a call to the bullpen. It looked like someone was answering the phone. Is Friedman calling the dugout? GM's need to get over themselves, assemble talent, get a like-minded field manager who will use the talent the way you intended, & get out of the way. But since this is Dave's first managing gig, does he even know how to manage? We'll never know. Mattingly isn't a bad manager. He had lunkheads & underachievers. A few stiffs along the way too. At the very least, we would know who did what with a more traditional setup. The GM acquires talent. The manager chooses how to utilize that talent. Then the GM scapegoats the manager if they lose. Andrew seems like a genuinely nice guy. The way he takes care of Andrew Toles is touching. But get the hell over yourself. Decades ago, when the game was very different, Walter Alston was known to do that if the pitcher had trouble throwing strikes w/RISP and a tight score. I don't recall Lasorda doing that though. Can't Robby let Mark Prior handle the pitching and make all the decisions? Who'd know better than a MLB pitcher after all? Robby was a pretty good base thief, I'll say that for him. Let him coach base running, bunts and steals. Unfortunately, the Dodgers don't do the last two.  |
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Post by jrgreene6 on Oct 18, 2022 21:10:15 GMT
I didn’t see it in this series, but their fundamental base-running was sometimes atrocious during the regular season and more than a few times led to inning ending rally killers.
I wonder if there’s anyway they could implement an “interim” manager for the playoffs each year? Let Roberts do his usual regular season gig, but like some players, sit him down come October.
Even if allowed, I’m sure Fraudman would still stick his nose and opinion into whoever that might be. And you know what they say about too many cooks in the kitchen . . .
Let Daisy sweep up the sunflower seeds and bubble gum wrappers. As far as I’m concerned, that’s about all he is good for.
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 18, 2022 22:11:42 GMT
I didn’t see it in this series, but their fundamental base-running was sometimes atrocious during the regular season and more than a few times led to inning ending rally killers. I wonder if there’s anyway they could implement an “interim” manager for the playoffs each year? Let Roberts do his usual regular season gig, but like some players, sit him down come October. Even if allowed, I’m sure Fraudman would still stick his nose and opinion into whoever that might be. And you know what they say about too many cooks in the kitchen . . . Let Daisy sweep up the sunflower seeds and bubble gum wrappers. As far as I’m concerned, that’s about all he is good for. GO DODGERS!!! Couldn't they just have a manager of the day? He would have to know how to answer a phone. That's it. |
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Post by dking on Oct 19, 2022 1:44:56 GMT
roberts wasn't the problem it was all on the players who choked .
you can get rid of all of them and I wouldn't care. I'd rather be a little better than average and win the world series.
the philles will annihilate the pads, cause they can hit
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 19, 2022 4:09:35 GMT
Dodgers’ Andrew Friedman says NLDS loss was ‘an organizational failure in the postseason’
Bill Plunkett, The Orange County Register - 2h ago
LOS ANGELES — Andrew Friedman feels your pain – because it is his pain too.
“The last three days have been incredibly difficult. Not sure exactly when that’s going to dissipate,” the Dodgers president of baseball operations said Tuesday, still processing the team’s exit from the playoffs just four games into their postseason.
“I felt way worse Sunday than I expected and I expected low. It hasn’t quite hit that upswing yet. And it will.”
In a postseason wrapup that came much sooner than anyone expected, Friedman acknowledged that it was “probably” the most disappointing outcome in the Dodgers’ recent history – of disappointing postseason outcomes – and referred to it as “an organizational failure in the postseason” following their historic 111-win regular season.
But Friedman gave no indication that change would be coming in response to that failure, returning multiple times during the press conference to the randomness of October baseball and, in particular, the vagaries that result in the best lineup during the regular season suddenly going 5 for 34 with runners in scoring position – including an 0-for-20 stretch – during a four-game stretch against the San Diego Padres.
“Obviously, everyone wants a clear-cut answer,” Friedman said. “I think if you were to boil it down to its simplest form, in the regular season, we led baseball in every statistical category with runners in scoring position. In this series, we were not good. During the course of the season, we had peaks and valleys with runners in scoring position and this was a valley. The question is – is it baseball? Or are there things we can do to improve upon that? Are there levers we can pull, are there things to put us in a better position there?”
Friedman said he does not have those answers yet. But he made it clear he does not blame Manager Dave Roberts or his coaching staff for the team’s failures against the Padres. Roberts will “a hundred percent” return in 2023, Friedman said, when a three-year contract extension will kick in. No changes to the coaching staff are anticipated.
“I personally don’t think the criticism that Dave has received has been fair,” Friedman said.
“If we felt that a different voice was going to help us cash in on those situations with runners in scoring position – yeah, then maybe we would (change managers). … I feel like Dave and his coaching staff did an incredible job during the regular season to lead this team to 111 wins. And I don’t feel like it’s a switch that was then turned off or the players needed a different voice in those (postseason) games. That’s my personal belief. But I get that there are differing opinions on this – on a lot of different things and I appreciate that.”
Outfielder Mookie Betts put his finger on one thing for certain in the postgame locker room after Saturday night’s Game 4 loss.
“We just didn’t hit, man,” said Betts, who went 2 for 14 (.143) in the NLDS. “That’s on us. That’s on the hitters’ side. We did not execute any type of plan, didn’t do anything. Throughout the season we did. It sucks. But there’s nothing we can do now.”
For all the criticism levied at Roberts for his pitching decisions in the postseason, the shrinkage of the offense has been the most persistent thread that connects the playoff defeats. And it is no longer a small sample size.
In the six series that ended the Dodgers’ postseason in the past seven years – the 2016 NLCS (Chicago Cubs), 2017 and 2018 World Series (Houston Astros and Boston Red Sox), 2019 NLDS (Washington Nationals), 2021 NLCS (Atlanta Braves) and this year’s NLDS – the Dodgers have hit .199 with runners in scoring position.
During their ‘bubble’ run to the World Series championship in 2020, the Dodgers scored 59 runs with two outs and 44 runs with two strikes on the batter – both postseason records.
“I don’t know the answer,” Friedman said. “We went through four-game stretches all year where we were the ’27 Yankees with runners in scoring position. We went through four-game stretches this year where we were on the other end of that. I felt like it’s kind of taking each game separately. Game 1, I felt like for three innings, we were great. Those last remaining innings, we were not. We held on and won the game.
“In Game 2, I actually feel like we had really good at-bats against Yu Darvish and their ’pen and had a lot of different opportunities and some hard-hit balls that found guys, that didn’t fall. I didn’t feel that way in Games 3 and 4. So how much of that is baseball in the natural course? And how much of it is other things?
“Again, so many of our guys have a lot of postseason experience. It’s not being intimidated by the moment. We had some untimely kind of injuries with Gavin Lux and JT who were doing really well in September, had those injuries and came back and weren’t quite right yet. But you can kind of go through all of it, and we will, and spend time on it. Just trying to find any levers or anything we can do to help put us in a better position next year.”
Friedman said the season has ended so much sooner than anticipated that he and his staff had just begun digging into the offseason personnel decisions in front of them regarding pitcher Clayton Kershaw (a free agent), shortstop Trea Turner (free agent), third baseman/DH Justin Turner (club option) and center fielder Cody Bellinger (a potential non-tendered free agent) among others.
The rest of the postseason will play on without the Dodgers despite their historic regular season. And it has further convinced Friedman of one thing about October.
“If you’re asking me if I think the best team wins the World Series every year, I would say no. I think the hottest team wins the World Series every year,” Friedman said.
“Each year has its own kind of different narrative to it. But I don’t believe that the best team wins the World Series every year.”
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Post by jrgreene6 on Oct 19, 2022 5:10:30 GMT
Of course Fraudman isn’t going to replace his puppet. Doc stands there with the usual blank look on his face and waits for the phone to ring.
And yes - they were abysmal with runners in scoring position, even after leading the league all year.
But when a team is constantly getting runners on base, the laws of average dictate some of them are going to score.
And how many of those hits came in “big” insignificant innings where we were already up by multiple runs and were simply just “adding” on against bad bullpens?
There were FAR more situations where games were lost (like all three in this series) because they couldn’t get that crucial hit at a crucial moment in the game.
And while some of that can be attributed to a lack of motivation by a “nice guy” manager, how about a little variation in the standard “swing for the fence” game plan?
How about their pitching strategies? Relying on a bullpen for four innings EVERY night was a huge gamble that didn’t work.
Both Kershaw AND especially Anderson could have each gone another inning.
Using the Goose in Game Three when he hadn’t thrown in a live game in over a month? So instead of four innings, we get nearly double that from the pen?
Wasn’t May supposed to be our long reliever? Why not use him in Game Three? I don’t think he ever even got up in the pen. Another wasted roster space.
Taylor / Thompson over Bellinger in Game Four?
Fact of the matter is - there’s PLENTY of blame to go around here. Players didn’t hit, sure. But you can’t change or fire the entire team.
The one constant we have had over the last eight years that has contributed to their underachieving is Roberts.
After two years of the same by the original DDF, Donny Baseball got his walking papers. Maybe he didn’t agree with the analytics and upper management philosophies.
And while Roberts is the ultimate lapdog, he IS the one constant that COULD be changed.
Neither Madden or Girardi did very well with their new teams this year and both were terminated mid-season.
They have both been proven winners in the past. But neither was interviewed the last time they were both available and I doubt there’s even a snowballs chance in Hell they’d be considered in LA.
And that’s also on Fraudman because I doubt very seriously either one of them would accept the job if it meant daily consultations, analytical game plans and dugout calls.
I’m fully prepared to accept that another title in my lifetime is a real long shot unless the team is sold, which is highly unlikely, being the cash cow that it is.
And despite all of their proclamations and crowing about bringing multiple titles to LA, their ultimate goal and motivation is bottom line profit.
As long as they continue to fill the stands year after year, game after game, those profits will be enough- damn the titles!
GO DODGERS!!!
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Post by 20DodgerMiracle24 on Oct 20, 2022 3:54:39 GMT
Decades ago, when the game was very different, Walter Alston was known to do that if the pitcher had trouble throwing strikes w/RISP and a tight score. I don't recall Lasorda doing that though. Can't Robby let Mark Prior handle the pitching and make all the decisions? Who'd know better than a MLB pitcher after all? Robby was a pretty good base thief, I'll say that for him. Let him coach base running, bunts and steals. Unfortunately, the Dodgers don't do the last two. True, but base stealing and bunts have gone the way of the dodo bird, or so it seems, just like when the Babe came on the scene. At first Ty Cobb didn't like the Babe cos he turned the game upside down. Eventually of course, they got to be great pals, but I understand that Cobb, to his dying day, insisted that homers were mostly accidents, and the game was hits inside the park, walks, bunts, steals and hit and run plays. I wish the game was so multi-dimentional cos homers have gotten to be too common and almost boring. |
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 20, 2022 16:37:11 GMT
Unfortunately, the Dodgers don't do the last two. True, but base stealing and bunts have gone the way of the dodo bird, or so it seems, just like when the Babe came on the scene. At first Ty Cobb didn't like the Babe cos he turned the game upside down. Eventually of course, they got to be great pals, but I understand that Cobb, to his dying day, insisted that homers were mostly accidents, and the game was hits inside the park, walks, bunts, steals and hit and run plays. I wish the game was so multi-dimentional cos homers have gotten to be too common and almost boring. And our commissioner has resorted to gimmicks to fix that. |
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Post by jrgreene6 on Oct 20, 2022 17:27:01 GMT
True, but base stealing and bunts have gone the way of the dodo bird, or so it seems, just like when the Babe came on the scene. At first Ty Cobb didn't like the Babe cos he turned the game upside down. Eventually of course, they got to be great pals, but I understand that Cobb, to his dying day, insisted that homers were mostly accidents, and the game was hits inside the park, walks, bunts, steals and hit and run plays. I wish the game was so multi-dimentional cos homers have gotten to be too common and almost boring. And our commissioner has resorted to gimmicks to fix that. Are you not as excited as I am regarding the new pitch clock? Or how about the limited number of throws to first? The Turd is literally destroying the game as it was meant to be played to satisfy the instant gratification and low attention span public he is trying to entice to shorter games. I have to wonder if it will be worth it? Games are STILL going to average 2 1/2 to 3 hours as they have since the day the Redlegs first took the field. All the “gimmicks” have done thus far is piss off a good deal of fans who like and remember the game the way its been played for over a century. Even if he got the average time down to two hours flat, that would STILL be too long for the above “me” generation. From baseline nets that DESTROY the ability to interact with players for most fans (not to mention going cockeyed from viewing via little 2” squares) to the girls softball rule to NHL / NBA postseason qualifying teams to “expanded” playoffs. Does the Turd REALLY believe the number of new fans will be significant enough to replace those who are fed up to here with all of the changes? Look - if you don’t enjoy the game enough to devote a few hours to it, FIND ANOTHER GAME!!! Quit fucking around with the one that was as close to perfect as they come. GO DODGERS!!! |
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Post by 20DodgerMiracle24 on Oct 21, 2022 4:27:10 GMT
And our commissioner has resorted to gimmicks to fix that. Are you not as excited as I am regarding the new pitch clock? Or how about the limited number of throws to first? The Turd is literally destroying the game as it was meant to be played to satisfy the instant gratification and low attention span public he is trying to entice to shorter games. I have to wonder if it will be worth it? Games are STILL going to average 2 1/2 to 3 hours as they have since the day the Redlegs first took the field. All the “gimmicks” have done thus far is piss off a good deal of fans who like and remember the game the way its been played for over a century. Even if he got the average time down to two hours flat, that would STILL be too long for the above “me” generation. From baseline nets that DESTROY the ability to interact with players for most fans (not to mention going cockeyed from viewing via little 2” squares) to the girls softball rule to NHL / NBA postseason qualifying teams to “expanded” playoffs. Does the Turd REALLY believe the number of new fans will be significant enough to replace those who are fed up to here with all of the changes? Look - if you don’t enjoy the game enough to devote a few hours to it, FIND ANOTHER GAME!!! Quit fucking around with the one that was as close to perfect as they come. GO DODGERS!!! Every time I think of Manjerk, I grit my teeth. In the 73 years of modern baseball before the satanic DH, about the only rule change was to outlaw the spitball or any other foreign substance on the ball after the tragic death of Ray Chapman in 1920. (as a sidebar, the Indians beat the Yanks 4-3 and the Babe went 1 for 3, a single. Carl Mays was the Yank pitcher and Chapman was the Indians' SS). Since the DH, there were no rule changes till Manjerk came along. Now of course none of us liked Uncle Bud, but at least he didn't change any playing rules. So he wants to speed up the game? What's the instant replay all about then? That takes more time than the manager running on the field and shouting at the umps, not to mention how we fans enjoyed it. And I agree all the way that he's piece by piece dismantaling the game. While he's at it, why not rename the sport MANFREDBALL? He wants to limit throws to first, the pitch clock, robot umps, runner at 2B to start extra innings, no more shifts? He wants to make the bases bigger cos "fans like stolen bases". So what if we do? If teams don't want to go for SBs, then tough on us! Actually, it's not so much SBs we like, it's ATTEMPTED SBs. Sometimes, we like to see runners get gunned down. And if he thinks we'd like to see more homers, will he bring in the fences about 21 feet? He does give us fodder to tell the young generation about the game as we grew up with it. "In my day, we didn't have Manjerk and these were the rules:..." |
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Post by 20DodgerMiracle24 on Oct 22, 2022 4:16:05 GMT
The Horsies beat the Monks in game 3 tonite. GO Horsies!
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 23, 2022 0:07:03 GMT
4-0 Padres. I feel sick.
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 23, 2022 0:22:07 GMT
Now we know Harper likes meatballs. I saw that pitch & was like - what? Then Harper drove it to the wall. 4-3 Padres.
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 23, 2022 2:00:00 GMT
Phillies take the lead 7-6 on Harper's double.
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Post by 20DodgerMiracle24 on Oct 23, 2022 3:52:21 GMT
Yank fans will start booing the Judge tomorrow if he keeps looking like Cody at bat. Now that George Stienbrenner is gone, that's my excuse for not rooting for the Yanks: heartless fans who'll boo their own players if they don't come thru in the clutch. I don't want the Trashtros to win either so I guess I'm torn. I watched most of that game and the Yanks are about to get swept.
But the Yanks were also about to sweep the Red Sox way back in '04 when Roberts was on the team. They led 3 games to 0 but then the Sox humiliated the Yanks with four straight wins with their backs against the wall and won that deciding game at Yankee Stadium!
Yogi Berra was right on: it's never over till it's over
I have that episode recorded on ESPN: 30 for 30, FOUR DAYS IN OCTOBER.
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