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Post by hunteralan on Apr 11, 2018 16:53:20 GMT
OKC has played three games (two postponements). Guess who's been leading off each game for the team... ***He's going to play a few games and then get a day off. It's the Dodger's way. You really can't get my point, can you?*** No, it's you who can't get the point of the front office saying Toles is going to AAA "to play everyday". ***I don't need to prove jack s$it to you either. The proof is in the pudding- the Dodgers are 3-6 and Joc is hitting .133, while Wilmer Font is 0-2 with an 8.44 ERA, a blown save, and a WHIP of 1.88!*** And what's Kemp hitting? That's the position Toles would be playing. Is it still your (incorrect) opinion that Kemp has started off cold?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2018 16:58:30 GMT
Kemp hitting pretty good, started last night against RH. Ride him. It was nice to see Kemp stroke a few balls the other way. I thought the first one was going to get out...he almost had two HRs. We need guys to heat up and spark this team. Ryu pitched great last night, and other than Stripling, the bullpen was lights out too. Let's go! Yeah it was nice to see him, reminiscent of years past. Gotta correct myself though, saw the HR he hit off the RH, but seems SP was LH. Rather surprised I wasn't jumped. there's a lot that here, not of fan of it. It's not what they say, rather it's how it's said. Whatever, Matt can hit anyone, ride him. I wish Joc could hit anyone, sit him!!! lol I actually really like Joc, but he's gotta hit better, too much talent in the system.
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Post by speedcity on Apr 11, 2018 17:02:57 GMT
The reason I compared the two has nothing to do with performance. I compared them because both were situations where the FO was almost “forced” to have a guy on the roster or risk losing him. Morrow was great for us, but he got his shot because he had an opt out clause in his deal if he wasn’t activated by (I believe) June. It’s easy to forget, but At the time he wasn’t some sure thing, he was just another guy on a minor league deal that may or may not work out. Our bullpen was doing good when he was called up; imagine if the FO had said, “you know what, we’re good. Our bullpen is doing good there isn’t a need to call this guy up” and they just let him go. With relievers I think it’s always worth it to at least see what you have. It’s a volatile position; the guy that struggled the previous year, or was injured, or was a failed starter might just be a productive reliable reliever the next year. I know what you are saying, and you make very valid points. However, I would like to say that their situations were different because Morrow was still returning from an injury if memory serves me correct and wasn't available to make the team out of spring training. The Dodgers put him on IR, no? And then didn't he return to the minors and dominate and earn his call up in May? If I am mistaken, let me know- I cannot fact check at the moment. My point is that Font has never earned anything. They kept him only because he was out of options. But I get your point, they wanted to see what they have in him instead of DFA-ing him. Maybe they tried to trade him and couldn't find any takers too, a la Thompson. Either way, and this is just my take, I think Font is hot garbage and only hurts the bullpen. Do you see any potential in him? I see potential, but honestly I think he’s probably not gonna work out. I just think it’s smart to give him a shot before we cut bait.
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Post by laker8la on Apr 11, 2018 17:05:51 GMT
It was nice to see Kemp stroke a few balls the other way. I thought the first one was going to get out...he almost had two HRs. We need guys to heat up and spark this team. Ryu pitched great last night, and other than Stripling, the bullpen was lights out too. Let's go! Yeah it was nice to see him, reminiscent of years past. Gotta correct myself though, saw the HR he hit off the RH, but seems SP was LH. Rather surprised I wasn't jumped. there's a lot that here, not of fan of it. It's not what they say, rather it's how it's said. Whatever, Matt can hit anyone, ride him. I wish Joc could hit anyone, sit him!!! lol I actually really like Joc, but he's gotta hit better, too much talent in the system. I agree man, this board is not inviting, kind of reminds me of why I left the MLB board. Whatever, I appreciate your opinion and if I ever disagree with you, I will respectfully debate with you, not try to belittle you. I am glad Kemp got it going, but it's only a couple of games. I'm not a fan of Joc- to me his swing is unrefined and he could really use some work down in the minors- and I mean a total rehaul. Right now, all he is a total pull hitter trying to swing for the fences every at bat, which isn't a bad thing if he can launch a bunch of homers, but in reality, he's hitting the ball pretty weakly on a consistent basis. I'm rooting for Toles because I like his work ethic and he seems like a good dude and he is coming back from a major injury. Guys like that are easy to root for, IMO. IMO, Toles is just a huge upgrade to Joc. He hits for a better average, he has more speed, he seems like a spark plug.
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Post by hunteralan on Apr 11, 2018 17:33:36 GMT
Why do you and bulldog feel the need to debunk everything I say? When you say incorrect or illogical things, what do you expect?
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Post by hunteralan on Apr 11, 2018 17:37:21 GMT
I am not ignoring his first outing. He has always been a starter so he should be able to go 5+ innings and 75+ pitches. Don't make excuses for him. And how many starters go 5+ innings and 75+ pitches regularly without giving up a couple runs? That's a silly reason to hammer Font for.
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Post by 88bulldog on Apr 11, 2018 18:03:21 GMT
Why do you and bulldog feel the need to debunk everything I say? When you make things up that's what happens. Gotta do your homework. Post facts, not made up gibberish. OKC has played 4 games now, did you know that? Lol.
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Post by hunteralan on Apr 11, 2018 18:30:12 GMT
Either way, IMO the Dodgers would have a stronger bullpen with ANY OTHER option they had, whether it be Liberatore (who has a proven track record in the majors), Venditte (who can pitch to either side of the plate), Yimi, or Paredes (who also have proven track records.) How long do we let Font last at this rate before ultimately deciding to DFA him? At what point do we call a turd a turd? Did you really just say Paredes has a proven track record??? Are you going to stick with that opinion? And you'd rather have Venditte who holds a 4.97 major league ERA and a 5.01 FIP? Didn't you just say Font has never done anything in the majors . . . yet you want Venditte? Because he can pitch with both hands? Garcia is still rehabbing, he wasn't going to make the opening day roster. This has been stated. You've obviously missed it? Dude, you really need to take a step back and reevaluate your stance. You're just flat wrong on pretty much everything your stating. ***At what point do we call a turd a turd?*** Are we talking about Font or your opinions?
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Post by hunteralan on Apr 11, 2018 18:36:32 GMT
However, I would like to say that their situations were different because Morrow was still returning from an injury if memory serves me correct and wasn't available to make the team out of spring training. The Dodgers put him on IR, no? No. ***And then didn't he return to the minors and dominate and earn his call up in May?*** No. If I am mistaken, let me know-*** You are wrong. ***My point is that Font has never earned anything.*** Then explain why you want Venditte or Paredes. They haven't done any better than Font, yet you point to them as better options. This doens't strike you as hypocritical?
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Post by hunteralan on Apr 11, 2018 18:50:23 GMT
Dude, please. When I made that statement, Kemp WAS off to a slow start. Actually he wasn't. A slow start would be . . . well, virtually the rest of the lineup, but Kemp was still hitting .275 yesterday when you wrote that. That's not a slow start. And anyway, even if you hold the opinion that Kemp WAS off to a slow start, that fact is exactly the reason why you freaking out just a little over a week into the season is ridiculous. One game with a double and a HR causes a players season to go from your "slow start" to All-Star level? Sounds pretty silly doesn't it. ***And I said I bet- not that I can prove.*** So you're of the habit of placing bets that are easily proven wrong? I don't bet so I could be wrong, but that doesn't seem like a very wise strategy to me... ***Moving on.*** Is that your idea of a mea culpa? Again, like blunashun, I'm just trying to get a feel for what your apologies sound like.
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Post by 88bulldog on Apr 11, 2018 19:18:02 GMT
"So you're of the habit of placing bets that are easily proven wrong? I don't bet so I could be wrong, but that doesn't seem like a very wise strategy to me..."
Yeah, that's a terrible strategy. Lol.
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Post by 88bulldog on Apr 11, 2018 20:57:51 GMT
"So you're of the habit of placing bets that are easily proven wrong? I don't bet so I could be wrong, but that doesn't seem like a very wise strategy to me..."
Yeah, that's a terrible strategy. Lol.
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Post by laker8la on Apr 16, 2018 15:20:03 GMT
Just a friendly update (and yes I had some time to fact check):
Oklahoma City has played 9 games so far with a record of 8-1. Andrew Toles has played in six games and has torn the cover off the ball so far. He has sat out of 3 games. (not playing every day).
Joc Pedersen (who made the major league club instead of Toles) is slashing .154 / .241 / .231. He has not hit a HR yet. He has also appeared in 11 of the 14 games (not playing every day either).
Wilmer Font has now pitched in 5 games and in 9.1 innings pitched he has amassed an 0-2 record with a 12.54! ERA, given up 5! HRS, and has a WHIP of 2.04!
The Dodgers are off to a 5-9 start and are already 5.5 games out of first place.
You guys can flame me all you want and pick apart what I say, but those are the facts above.
And I maintain my opinion that Toles could have played just as much as he's playing now in the majors and produced better than Joc has. Joc could have been in the minors tweaking his swing and figuring out a way to actually help the major league team in the future. Wilmer Font has continued to get worse and worse and will get DFA'ed any day now. IMO, the slow start is a result of multiple factors, including Turner's unfortunate injury. But the main reason, IMO, is because the roster is not as strong as it could have been. If you disagree with me, that's fine. State your case, and I will respect your opinion. But try to refrain from trashing my opinion simply because you don't like what I had to say. I'm a Dodger fanatic, just like you, and I want the Dodgers to win. I just wish that management would not be so arrogant and think that their decisions don't have consequences (they do! ex: Putting McCarthy on the World Series Roster when he hadn't pitched in weeks, he had to pitch game 2 and got the L). They think just like a lot of the posters on this board think- in the end we'll win the division and it won't matter because we've done it six years in a row. But, that's not how it works. The Diamondbacks are a good team and the Rockies are nothing to sneeze at either. Until last night, the Diamondbacks had beaten us in the regular season 11 straight times!
My prediction is that the Dodgers will DFA Font and bring up Liberatore (or another reliever that should have made the opening day roster), Turner will come back, Toles will be brought up, and all of this will happen in the next 30 days. Once it all happens, the Dodgers will start playing better and get back in the hunt. This misery is only temporary!
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Post by 88bulldog on Apr 16, 2018 15:53:13 GMT
" Andrew Toles has played in six games and has torn the cover off the ball so far. He has sat out of 3 games. (not playing every day)."
Andrew Toles is on the DL with a hamstring, that's why he's missing games. Doc said he's coming soon though...
And Liberatore and Venditte have not done that well like you said they would. Libby's WHIP is 1.38 and Venditte is over 2.00.
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Post by laker8la on Apr 16, 2018 16:06:10 GMT
" Andrew Toles has played in six games and has torn the cover off the ball so far. He has sat out of 3 games. (not playing every day)." Andrew Toles is on the DL with a hamstring, that's why he's missing games. Doc said he's coming soon though... And Liberatore and Venditte have not done that well like you said they would. Libby's WHIP is 1.38 and Venditte is over 2.00. Thanks for the update! Didn't know Toles was on the DL. Hope he gets back ASAP. Liberatore's WHIP is not great, but he has done well enough. He has not allowed a run yet in 4 innings. Venditte has not fared well at all.
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