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Post by laker8la on May 1, 2018 19:55:22 GMT
The "resetting the luxury tax" is going to put a real damper on this team. I don't want to be negative, but this whole thing is driving me insane. We want to reset the luxury tax so we can go after a guy like Machado and Bryce Harper next season....and here's a potential chance to get Machado NOW, and we're probably going to pass...lol. It's not my money so obviously it doesn't matter to me, but play for the championship! Our window is NOW and you don't know how long it will last. Go get these guys while you can and make a run at the WS. Stop saving on the hopes of signing one of these next year when you can get them today. And forget Bryce Harper- although I would love to have him- 15 teams are going to be legitimately vying for his services in the off-season. What do you think the chances are of us getting him? It's not worth the risk. The problems are... 1 - This way we have to give up players to get Machado. 2 - Once we've done that there's no guarantee we keep him. He'll be a free agent. 3 - Instead of resetting the penalties we compound them. I honestly hope we don't have to go this route. I hear ya. But the worst route would be to hold tight, suck balls, and then strike out in the off-season while we fail to get Machado and Bryce. Then what? There's no guarantee we're getting either one of those guys....but if you trade for him it becomes more likely that you could get him to stay- and at least he'd be a Dodger this season. |
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Post by laker8la on May 1, 2018 19:56:22 GMT
The "resetting the luxury tax" is going to put a real damper on this team. I don't want to be negative, but this whole thing is driving me insane. We want to reset the luxury tax so we can go after a guy like Machado and Bryce Harper next season....and here's a potential chance to get Machado NOW, and we're probably going to pass...lol. It's not my money so obviously it doesn't matter to me, but play for the championship! Our window is NOW and you don't know how long it will last. Go get these guys while you can and make a run at the WS. Stop saving on the hopes of signing one of these next year when you can get them today. And forget Bryce Harper- although I would love to have him- 15 teams are going to be legitimately vying for his services in the off-season. What do you think the chances are of us getting him? It's not worth the risk. EDIT- Under no circumstances do I think the Dodgers should trade Walker Buehler to get him! That is the one prospect that I deem to be untouchable. The article suggested that, so I just wanted to make it clear that I would love to get Machado but not if we have to give up Buehler to get him. I like the idea of dumping Grandal to free up the luxury cap space...we'd be selling at a high before Grandal's inevitable regression to the mean. And let's face it- Machado is a huge get! Grandal is definitely a loss, but we gain more than we lose in a trade like that, especially if we re-sign Machado to a long term deal. I actually think we could get Machado without giving up Buehler. Verdugo, Ruiz, Dennis Santana, White, and Diaz all have a lot of trade value right now. That would be awesome! And if we dump Grandal, we would still reset the luxury tax. |
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Post by lasnoopyla on May 1, 2018 19:57:15 GMT
The "resetting the luxury tax" is going to put a real damper on this team. I don't want to be negative, but this whole thing is driving me insane. We want to reset the luxury tax so we can go after a guy like Machado and Bryce Harper next season....and here's a potential chance to get Machado NOW, and we're probably going to pass...lol. It's not my money so obviously it doesn't matter to me, but play for the championship! Our window is NOW and you don't know how long it will last. Go get these guys while you can and make a run at the WS. Stop saving on the hopes of signing one of these next year when you can get them today. And forget Bryce Harper- although I would love to have him- 15 teams are going to be legitimately vying for his services in the off-season. What do you think the chances are of us getting him? It's not worth the risk. EDIT- Under no circumstances do I think the Dodgers should trade Walker Buehler to get him! That is the one prospect that I deem to be untouchable. The article suggested that, so I just wanted to make it clear that I would love to get Machado but not if we have to give up Buehler to get him. I like the idea of dumping Grandal to free up the luxury cap space...we'd be selling at a high before Grandal's inevitable regression to the mean. And let's face it- Machado is a huge get! Grandal is definitely a loss, but we gain more than we lose in a trade like that, especially if we re-sign Machado to a long term deal. I actually think we could get Machado without giving up Buehler. Verdugo, Ruiz, Dennis Santana, White, and Diaz all have a lot of trade value right now. I just can’t see the front office making any sort of trade towards Machado. They value ALL our prospects to much. I don’t see them really trading at all. I’m sure they feel like we can plug up the holes internally. I don’t believe this team can be “fixed” from within, but gotta feeling that’s exactly what they’re gonna try and do. It was bad enough when Seager was in the lineup, but now with him gone and all our pitching issues, dull offense and other injuries, they may be of a mindset to just ride it out and just move around players we already have and see what happens... |
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Post by laker8la on May 1, 2018 20:00:31 GMT
I actually think we could get Machado without giving up Buehler. Verdugo, Ruiz, Dennis Santana, White, and Diaz all have a lot of trade value right now. I just can’t see the front office making any sort of trade towards Machado. They value ALL our prospects to much. I don’t see them really trading at all. I’m sure they feel like we can plug up the holes internally. I don’t believe this team can be “fixed” from within, but gotta feeling that’s exactly what they’re gonna try and do. It was bad enough when Seager was in the lineup, but now with him gone and all our pitching issues, dull offense and other injuries, they may be of a mindset to just ride it out and just move around players we already have and see what happens... I think the front office realizes that something needs to be done. They may have thought this team was good enough to win it all before the season started, but now they probably realize the bullpen needs work and injuries are taking it's toll. They'll make moves, IMO and try to get us back on track. 8 games is nothing this early in the season. If we're 8 games out after 150 games, then it might be time to give up. |
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Post by Blunashun on May 1, 2018 20:00:41 GMT
"They value ALL our prospects to much."
De Leon, Cotton, Holmes...
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Post by speedcity on May 1, 2018 20:03:35 GMT
I actually think we could get Machado without giving up Buehler. Verdugo, Ruiz, Dennis Santana, White, and Diaz all have a lot of trade value right now. That would be awesome! And if we dump Grandal, we would still reset the luxury tax. Yea, it would be pretty awesome. Although the one thing that gives me pause isn’t the prospects or money; it’s how he fits in. He plays short and third; we have very good players at both. Turner could shift to first, but again, we have a very good player there as well. Seems like it would be tough to resolve that situation without bruising some egos. But I think it’s a risk you strongly consider taking, because Machado is that good. |
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Post by speedcity on May 1, 2018 20:04:35 GMT
I actually think we could get Machado without giving up Buehler. Verdugo, Ruiz, Dennis Santana, White, and Diaz all have a lot of trade value right now. I just can’t see the front office making any sort of trade towards Machado. They value ALL our prospects to much. I don’t see them really trading at all. I’m sure they feel like we can plug up the holes internally. I don’t believe this team can be “fixed” from within, but gotta feeling that’s exactly what they’re gonna try and do. It was bad enough when Seager was in the lineup, but now with him gone and all our pitching issues, dull offense and other injuries, they may be of a mindset to just ride it out and just move around players we already have and see what happens... How did they acquire Rich Hill and Darvish? |
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Post by Blunashun on May 1, 2018 20:08:38 GMT
I just can’t see the front office making any sort of trade towards Machado. They value ALL our prospects to much. I don’t see them really trading at all. I’m sure they feel like we can plug up the holes internally. I don’t believe this team can be “fixed” from within, but gotta feeling that’s exactly what they’re gonna try and do. It was bad enough when Seager was in the lineup, but now with him gone and all our pitching issues, dull offense and other injuries, they may be of a mindset to just ride it out and just move around players we already have and see what happens... How did they acquire Rich Hill and Darvish? Forgot about Willie Calhoun. Our front office has been pretty good at keeping the real talents & using the others as trade bait. |
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Post by laker8la on May 1, 2018 20:11:20 GMT
How did they acquire Rich Hill and Darvish? Forgot about Willie Calhoun. Our front office has been pretty good at keeping the real talents & using the others as trade bait. That I agree with. No matter how "big" the prospect has been according to the media, it turns out we really haven't given up one that panned out to any degree yet. They have done a great job with that. |
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Post by Blunashun on May 1, 2018 20:14:10 GMT
Forgot about Willie Calhoun. Our front office has been pretty good at keeping the real talents & using the others as trade bait. That I agree with. No matter how "big" the prospect has been according to the media, it turns out we really haven't given up one that panned out to any degree yet. They have done a great job with that. Wow! What happened to Willie? We knew he was fat & that caused mobility problems. He could always hit though. |
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Post by Blunashun on May 1, 2018 20:51:03 GMT
I actually think we could get Machado without giving up Buehler. Verdugo, Ruiz, Dennis Santana, White, and Diaz all have a lot of trade value right now. That would be awesome! And if we dump Grandal, we would still reset the luxury tax. Are we talking about dumping Grandal this year? Would that be wise? He's streaky & all, but playing for a contract this year himself. So far, so good on that front. Not sure that would help anyway. Manny Machado ss 1 year/$16M (2018) 1 year/$16M (2018) re-signed by 1/12/18 (avoided arbitration) DODGERS PAYROLL 25-man Opening Day 2018 $187,318,213 Yasmani Grandal c 1 year/$9.7M (2018) So they would still be spending 6.3 million dollars more. That would be okay but for one thing - Kenta Maeda's salary is projected only on his base of $3,125,000. This is how his contract is structured... Kenta Maeda rhp 8 years/$25M (2016-23) 8 years/$25M (2016-23) signed by LA Dodgers as a free agent 1/7/16 $1M signing bonus 16-23: $3M annually annual roster bonus: $0.15M for making active Opening Day roster $6.5M annually in performance bonuses based on games started: $1M each 15, 20 GS. $1.5M each for 25, 30, 32 GS $3.5M annually in performance bonuses based on innings pitched: $0.25M each for 90, 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150, 160, 170, 180, 190 IP. $0.75M 200 IP assignment bonus: $1M with each trade becomes a free agent at contract’s end perks: jersey No. 18. Four round-trip business-class airline tickets between Japan and LA annually. Interpreter. Travel expenses, accommodations, visa costs for a player support staff member LA Dodgers paid $20M posting fee to Hiroshima of Japan for right to negotiate with Maeda 2008-15: Hiroshima of Japan agent: Adam Katz, Wasserman Media Group ML service: 2.000 The luxury tax limit is 197 million dollars this year. We're less than 10 million shy of that already. Adding Machado puts us within 3.4 million dollars of the threshold. Maeda's bonus for making the opening day roster puts that at about 3.2 million. He's started five games already. At 15 he gets an additional 1 million dollars. At 20 he gets another 1 million dollars. We're getting close now. We COULD screw Kenta out of his bonus money while improving the bullpen (& weakening the starting rotation), but we would have one unhappy pilgrim on our hands & it sends a bad message to the rest of the team. Last year he made 25 starts. That's 1.5 million dollars. He also gets $250,00 bonuses in increments of 10 innings pitched starting at 90.0. We'd be in the red. Here's a good reference point for the threshold. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_luxury_taxWe see the Yankees have far exceeded everyone else. But that's over a 14 year period & the rules have changed. The Dodgers had Frank McCourt & we've accummulated almost half as much debt in only five years that it took the Yankees to incur in 14 years. The Dodgers have averaged 30 million dollars in over the limit spending. www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-releases-details-of-new-cba-heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-it/- The competitive balance tax thresholds will be $195 million in 2017, $197 million in 2018, $206 million in 2019, $208 million in 2020, and $210 million in 2021. Teams exceeding these player salary figures will be taxed 20 percent for first-timers, 30 percent the second time and fifty percent for third- or more timers. So while the figure it high, it seems pretty reasonable that a team isn't going to want to be over $210 million three straight seasons and, in turn, slapped with a $100 million tax. There are additional taxes for being $20M and then $40M over the threshold. Further, teams being $40 million or more over the threshold will have their highest selection in the MLB Draft moved back 10 spots, assuming it's not a pick in the top six (in which case it would be the second pick that is moved back). |
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Post by Blunashun on May 1, 2018 21:36:13 GMT
Another consideration is mid-season acquisitions. Other players WILL go down or simply be replaced. No one has been happy with the bullpen's performance thus far. Who do we add if we're already over the limit?
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Post by Blunashun on May 1, 2018 21:43:00 GMT
Even though Maeda is better in relief than starting, how about moving Buehler to the BP to keep his innings pitched to a limit? The kid was hitting 101 mph starting. He might be another Aroldis Chapman out of the the pen.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 23:42:42 GMT
If we're playing to win, Maeda to BP, Buehler to SP. The best team, period. There goes Maeda's $$$ affecting lux. tax too. :)
edit - It's all hands on deck, baby. Not ready to abandon ship.
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Post by Blunashun on May 2, 2018 0:59:27 GMT
If we're playing to win, Maeda to BP, Buehler to SP. The best team, period. There goes Maeda's $$$ affecting lux. tax too.  edit - It's all hands on deck, baby. Not ready to abandon ship. If they could pay Maeda under the table & actually get away with it, that would be a consideration. But we would still have the problem of innings pitched by Buehler. So we would be cheating Maeda & possibly blowing Walker's arm out. Not worth it. www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=buehle000walThe most innings he's ever pitched was 88.2 last year. |
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