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Post by jrgreene6 on Oct 16, 2023 15:15:20 GMT
Probably told him surgery is the best option if he wants to continue pitching... But he kept pitching. Supposedly he kept pitching after getting their diagnosis. Now he wants an outside opinion. I dunno. If they missed something (intentionally or not), that very well might influence Clayton's decision to return. Or return with the Dodgers. Let’s not forget the track record of Dodger physicians and trainers. How many swings and misses did they have with hamstrings and groin pulls? Or the platelet recommendation for Billingsley who proceeded to never pitch again? The epic Darren Dreifort fail? Can’t say that I blame Kersh for looking for a second or even third opinion on what might be the end of his HOF career. GO DODGERS!!! |
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Post by truedodger on Oct 16, 2023 19:59:18 GMT
Dump Muncy, Taylor, Kiké, Rojas, Peralta, Heyward and Barnes. Get an ace starter or two who can give us seven innings per start. Get a SS & 3B that can field their positions and hit .300. Get a decent backup for Smith behind the plate. And dump the analytical puppets. It’s a HUGE slate to fill, but if we’re ever going to keep playing into LATE October, ownership is going to have to address most, if not ALL of the above. GO DODGERS!!! WHat dump Mad Max and those 104 RBIs? So he's no 3Bman, but he can spot start there and play 2nd, his natural position, and 1st when needed, or be the DH when needed. Taylor I'm with you on. He Ks WAY too much. His swing is like he's on he golf course and his bat just isn't reliable. And Kike is just too reliable and clutch at any position he plays, we must lock him up. Rojas as acquired cos Nono's son went down, but he's probably healed up enough that he could play right now. Peralta, Heyward and Barnes, I agree. I just can't stand the Adam Dunn type stuff .200 or below hitting average. They need guys that put the ball in play. That's the other part of the reason why they choke in postseason. |
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Post by truedodger on Oct 16, 2023 20:21:52 GMT
I truly think O either re-signs with the Angles and Arte once again overpaying just to keep him or he moves north to Seattle. They have the money, are closer to October every year than Anaheim and they have a HUGE Japanese fan base up there. I don’t have to say again that I hope LA takes a “pass” at this one. He’s not going to pitch for at least a year, if ever again. I’m not even sure how he’s going to swing a bat with the ferocity and power he has without further damaging or at least affect the healing of that arm. $50 mil a year for a potential DH and the possibility of him returning as a two way player? Not for my payroll. That number could serve and cover at least two top line and another “serviceable” player and we have a number of holes to fill before Glendale reconvenes. GO DODGERS!!! 100% agree with you. They can get either Snell or the guy I wanted at the deadline Jordan Montgomery who is pitching well and Bellinger and that would be a nice off-season. |
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Post by truedodger on Oct 17, 2023 0:44:21 GMT
Forgot!
1. Buehler
2. Snell or Jordan Montgomery
3. Miller
4. Yoshinobu Yamamoto- this guy would be nice
5. Pepiot & the rooks
6. Yarbrough can start or relieve
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 17, 2023 0:50:47 GMT
Forgot! 1. Buehler 2. Snell or Jordan Montgomery 3. Miller 4. Yoshinobu Yamamoto- this guy would be nice 5. Pepiot & the rooks 6. Yarbrough can start or relieve No Lynn? Every time Lynn pitches, we could witness history unfolding. Good or bad depends on how you view it.  |
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 17, 2023 0:56:46 GMT
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Post by truedodger on Oct 17, 2023 2:13:20 GMT
Forgot! 1. Buehler 2. Snell or Jordan Montgomery 3. Miller 4. Yoshinobu Yamamoto- this guy would be nice 5. Pepiot & the rooks 6. Yarbrough can start or relieve No Lynn? Every time Lynn pitches, we could witness history unfolding. Good or bad depends on how you view it. Sonny Gray type stature. If we land him hopefully he has equal or better stuff. Yeah, no to Lynn. Obiviously they tried fixing him and if they didn't cure the home run propensity then it's a pass. That in conjunction with what would be $18 million just use it on someone else. |
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 18, 2023 3:33:36 GMT
Forgot! 1. Buehler 2. Snell or Jordan Montgomery 3. Miller 4. Yoshinobu Yamamoto- this guy would be nice 5. Pepiot & the rooks 6. Yarbrough can start or relieve Montgomery's success seems to be tied in with throwing his sinker way more often than before. He's throwing harder now too. |
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Post by jrgreene6 on Oct 18, 2023 4:00:43 GMT
Fraudman announces Daisy will remain as manager for the Dodgers in 2024. Shocking, I know!
Puppetmaster doesn’t want to have to train a new marionette.
Must be harder than ever to pull those strings and get those arms and legs to go where he wants them to.
Say hello to another 100 W’s, division title and early postseason exit.
How many more seasons are these two bozos going to get before ownership sees them for two losers they really are?
GO DODGERS!!!
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Post by truedodger on Oct 18, 2023 16:07:56 GMT
Fraudman announces Daisy will remain as manager for the Dodgers in 2024. Shocking, I know! Puppetmaster doesn’t want to have to train a new marionette. Must be harder than ever to pull those strings and get those arms and legs to go where he wants them to. Say hello to another 100 W’s, division title and early postseason exit. How many more seasons are these two bozos going to get before ownership sees them for two losers they really are? GO DODGERS!!! Same freaking thing next year. Don't even think that ownership cares about winning an extra 11 games when they make a killing winning 100 or close to it every year. Fans and the media will have to put the pressure on or nothing will change. The Dodgers are a money maker of a business. |
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Post by truedodger on Oct 18, 2023 16:09:55 GMT
Free agents:
Kershaw
Lynn (club option)
Muncy (club option)
Kiké
JD Martinez
Heyward
Kelly (club option)
Treinen (club option)
Rosario
Hudson (club option)
Peralta
Shelby Miller
Reyes (club option)
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Right now I'd bring back:
Kike
JD
Rosario
Peralta or Heyward
Kershaw
I guess Kike can play all over and hits better than Taylor & Rojas. Rosario because it's good to have a middle infielder that hits a little. Peralta and Heyward are the same outfielder Peralta a little better. Kelly, Hudson, Treinen are expensive and often hurt. Kershaw if healthy can be the #5 which usually gets the least amount of starts in- season.
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 18, 2023 19:09:58 GMT
Free agents: Kershaw Lynn (club option) Muncy (club option) Kiké JD Martinez Heyward Kelly (club option) Treinen (club option) Rosario Hudson (club option) Peralta Shelby Miller Reyes (club option) ----------------------------------------------- Right now I'd bring back: Kike JD Rosario Peralta or Heyward Kershaw I guess Kike can play all over and hits better than Taylor & Rojas. Rosario because it's good to have a middle infielder that hits a little. Peralta and Heyward are the same outfielder Peralta a little better. Kelly, Hudson, Treinen are expensive and often hurt. Kershaw if healthy can be the #5 which usually gets the least amount of starts in- season. I'd bring back Shelby Miller too. Assuming he can be had affordably. He shined in limited action. Also like your idea of Jordan Montgomery. I followed him when he first came up. Then it was injury after injury. He put together a solid season between St. Louis & Texas last year. He's changed his repertoire. Maybe that will help with the injuries. But only IF he can be had reasonably. Blake Snell I might pursue as a ruse to frighten Preller into giving him $300,000,000. Moron. I would also go after Seth Lugo. He's very good depth. Long relief or starting. We would be taking him away from the Padres. Hopefully Kershaw comes back. Hopefully he can accept a reduced role in the playoffs. He has pride. That's understood. But he's been a Dodger his whole career. He should retire wearing a Dodger uniform. Being a team player sometimes involves swallowing your pride. This is a character test for Clayton. Third base I'm not real sure of. There are options like Candelario. In-house options like Vargas. I would NOT bring back Muncy. You're right in that all those strikeouts can be rally killers. He hit for two months out of six. I prefer Heyward to Peralta. Jason's defense is still stellar. He also gets on base more often. He hit 15 homeruns to Peralta's 7. The last piece would be a replacement for Barnes. Yan Gomes MIGHT be available if the Cubs don't exercise their $6,000,000 option on him. He put up very solid numbers. He's a veteran who would help young guns like Miller, Stone & Sheehan. Starting rotation - Kershaw - L Buehler - R Montgomery - L Miller - R Pepiot - R Lugo - R Depth - Sheehan - R Stone - R May is due back in August. Gonsolin should miss the entire 2024 season. We might need another southpaw in the mix. Position players - C - Smith / Gomes 1B - Freeman 2B - Rosario (Betts is always a wild card here too.) 3B - Candelario? Vargas? SS - Lux (or reverse Rosario & Lux.) LF - Taylor (We would have to eat a lot of salary to get rid of him.) CF - Outman RF - Betts & Heyward DH - Martinez Depth Kike Rojas (5.75 million in 2024.) I'll leave the bullpen alone because that seems to be something Friedman cobbles together last. Phillips is the only untouchable. I merely suggested Shelby Miller too. DW21 would know better than any of us about prospects who might be ready to make the leap. This is a very solid team. Batting order (Although that always gets juggled.) - Betts - R Lux? - L Freeman - L Martinez - R Smith - R Candelario - S Outman - L Heyward - L Rosario - R If a youngster comes through, we would have an affordable veteran to market in trade. Muncy has had some solid years in a Dodger unform. Way more than we could have expected. He's also had some years that were putrid. (He slashed .226 / .312 / .398 the last month of this past regular season. 182 / .250 / .182 in the playoffs.). The Dodgers have a team option on him for next year. I'd suggest exercising that & trading him. |
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Post by truedodger on Oct 19, 2023 20:32:30 GMT
Free agents: Kershaw Lynn (club option) Muncy (club option) Kiké JD Martinez Heyward Kelly (club option) Treinen (club option) Rosario Hudson (club option) Peralta Shelby Miller Reyes (club option) ----------------------------------------------- Right now I'd bring back: Kike JD Rosario Peralta or Heyward Kershaw I guess Kike can play all over and hits better than Taylor & Rojas. Rosario because it's good to have a middle infielder that hits a little. Peralta and Heyward are the same outfielder Peralta a little better. Kelly, Hudson, Treinen are expensive and often hurt. Kershaw if healthy can be the #5 which usually gets the least amount of starts in- season. I'd bring back Shelby Miller too. Assuming he can be had affordably. He shined in limited action. Also like your idea of Jordan Montgomery. I followed him when he first came up. Then it was injury after injury. He put together a solid season between St. Louis & Texas last year. He's changed his repertoire. Maybe that will help with the injuries. But only IF he can be had reasonably. Blake Snell I might pursue as a ruse to frighten Preller into giving him $300,000,000. Moron. I would also go after Seth Lugo. He's very good depth. Long relief or starting. We would be taking him away from the Padres. Hopefully Kershaw comes back. Hopefully he can accept a reduced role in the playoffs. He has pride. That's understood. But he's been a Dodger his whole career. He should retire wearing a Dodger uniform. Being a team player sometimes involves swallowing your pride. This is a character test for Clayton. Third base I'm not real sure of. There are options like Candelario. In-house options like Vargas. I would NOT bring back Muncy. You're right in that all those strikeouts can be rally killers. He hit for two months out of six. I prefer Heyward to Peralta. Jason's defense is still stellar. He also gets on base more often. He hit 15 homeruns to Peralta's 7. The last piece would be a replacement for Barnes. Yan Gomes MIGHT be available if the Cubs don't exercise their $6,000,000 option on him. He put up very solid numbers. He's a veteran who would help young guns like Miller, Stone & Sheehan. Starting rotation - Kershaw - L Buehler - R Montgomery - L Miller - R Pepiot - R Lugo - R Depth - Sheehan - R Stone - R May is due back in August. Gonsolin should miss the entire 2024 season. We might need another southpaw in the mix. Position players - C - Smith / Gomes 1B - Freeman 2B - Rosario (Betts is always a wild card here too.) 3B - Candelario? Vargas? SS - Lux (or reverse Rosario & Lux.) LF - Taylor (We would have to eat a lot of salary to get rid of him.) CF - Outman RF - Betts & Heyward DH - Martinez Depth Kike Rojas (5.75 million in 2024.) I'll leave the bullpen alone because that seems to be something Friedman cobbles together last. Phillips is the only untouchable. I merely suggested Shelby Miller too. DW21 would know better than any of us about prospects who might be ready to make the leap. This is a very solid team. Batting order (Although that always gets juggled.) - Betts - R Lux? - L Freeman - L Martinez - R Smith - R Candelario - S Outman - L Heyward - L Rosario - R If a youngster comes through, we would have an affordable veteran to market in trade. Muncy has had some solid years in a Dodger unform. Way more than we could have expected. He's also had some years that were putrid. (He slashed .226 / .312 / .398 the last month of this past regular season. 182 / .250 / .182 in the playoffs.). The Dodgers have a team option on him for next year. I'd suggest exercising that & trading him. Yeah, Shelby Miller would be good IF healthy. They keep paying relievers just to sit and rehab but don't get any better and don't contribute. So, if he comes back for less or around the $1.5 million he got this year plus one of Hudson, Treinen and Kelly whoever is the most healthy and least risky then go for it. Hudson they were saying that his career might be done and same with Treinen so they have to be careful. Friedman was quoted talking big about starting pitching. My thought is Snell or Montgomery and they can go get Yomamoto and or Imanaga who will be posted. Yomamoto is the younger Japanese with a little better ERA. Imanaga is a lefty so there's that. I'd pass on Candelario and roll in house with one of Vargas and or Busch and I agree that putting Rosario at SS with Lux at 2B would work. Maybe Joc in place of Peralta and Heyward thing is can he still defend like those two. I guess Heyward is the lesser expensive of Peralta and he so if he's had around base salary then welcome back. I mean the team will give him plenty of playing time with a chance at contending. Take it or leave it! It'd be cool if Bellinger would come back and put less pressure on Outman. I agree that Kike should be resigned. In that scenario Taylor needs to go for me. Kike is probably better and is a good outfielder and I guess Rojas can be kept to work around the infield. Whatever they do they have to spend on an able hitter no more of these .200 hitting clowns or reclamation projects and some serious dough on starting pitching. I'll post some roster spots in a bit. |
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Post by 20DodgerMiracle24 on Oct 20, 2023 13:51:08 GMT
What are some people thinking? They want us to trade for Corbin Burnes, the Beer Drinkers' ace. There's no way the Drinkers will deal him away, being the ace of the NL Central champs. Same with Tyler Glasnow. He might not be the Rays' ace, but he's right up there and it's highly doubtful the Rays will deal him either. Dylan Cease of the White Sox is much more realistic, though with a 4.58 ERA this past season.
On top of all that, all three of those pitchers are rigties, and once again, we need a LEFTY starter like Blake Snell, but just like Kersh, he's been a pretty bad post season pitcher. I"d say our best bet is to acquire a young MLB ready lefty starter that only fans of that other team know about. Tommy John had good at best stats when the Dodgers traded for him in '72, and then he became much better than just "good" for just one example.
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Post by jrgreene6 on Oct 21, 2023 15:45:46 GMT
I hate to be the Debbie Downer of this board, but they could load up this team with five aces, a stellar bullpen and nine Ohtani’s in the lineup and they’d still find a way to blow it come October.
LA has had some of the strongest lineups and best pitching (sans this year) for the better part of a decade now.
Yet they only have one shortened season title to show for it.
Sure - they are a great regular season team as shown by their dominance in division titles.
But they either have nothing left come October or they lack the skills / abilities / motivation to keep it going for another month.
I do blame the players for a good deal of this, but dammit, they have changed from year to year with only a couple of exceptions, those being Kershaw, Mookie & Freddie.
And ALL of them seem to crawl back into their shells when the fall classic arrives.
A team with only two or three dependable bats in the lineup isn’t going to do squat, especially when those bats get shut down.
There’s a reason guys like Peralta, Heyward, Rojas, etc. are available from the free agency scrap heap each and every year.
Every now and then they strike gold, like with Muncy. But his regression this year and putrid D just might land him back on that list.
They play adequate D, but their bats result in hits once every four or five AB’s. A lineup of 2/3 .200 hitters shouldn’t even be in the postseason.
Yet somehow they continue to put 100 W’s on the board thru September.
So, does somebody just come in and shut the breaker off? Are they so spent from the regular season that they completely forget how to pitch and bat?
There’s only been one constant factoring in on their annual dump - and that constant has been Fraudy and Daisy.
They will not or cannot motivate this team for another four weeks of play.
And for some reason, they refuse to learn from their past mistakes that October requires a DIFFERENT type of baseball - one that is not played based on their overlord book of analytics.
Sitting back and waiting for three run homers doesn’t work. Righty / lefty matchups don’t work.
Runs are harder to come by due to better opposing pitchers.
Manufacturing runs via bunts, steals, hit and runs, sacrifices are ALL still vital parts of this game, whether Doc and the puppet master want to admit it or not.
A manager must have a “feel” for each game going in and know when and when not to pull the trigger.
Unfortunately, we have a guy that would have trouble firing a cap gun (remember those?).
Daisy might be the greatest regular season manager in our and perhaps all of baseball history. The players love him and he manages to keep most of those egos in check.
But he simply lacks the skills and abilities to take this team to the next level and LA is doomed to continue with this October futility until ownership finally does what they should have done years ago.
But as I’ve said too many times before - that doesn’t seem to be even remotely possible as long as LA continues to put 47k in the stadium every night and those concession and souvenir stand registers continue to ring.
GO DODGERS!!!
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