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Post by 88bulldog on Nov 18, 2019 2:04:00 GMT
Just check the videos and stop arguing because you sound like an idiot....
Videos tell us everything we need to know, and then some.
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Post by 88bulldog on Nov 18, 2019 16:50:36 GMT
Maeda is not happy about his role, hardly a surprise based on his contract structure.
Kenta Maeda not happy with how Dodgers have handled him By Craig CalcaterraNov 15, 2019, 12:03 PM EST
Andy McCullough of The Athletic writes that Dodgers pitcher Kenta Maeda has informed the club that he’s unhappy with how the team has handled him.
How have they handled him? McCullough puts it succinctly for those unaware:
"He prepares to be a starter during spring training. Over the course of two dozen outings, he performs like a credible member of the rotation. As summer turns to fall, the team shifts him into the bullpen, where he pitches like an elite reliever and forms part of the bridge to closer Kenley Jansen."
Thing is, it works for the team. But it’s also not great for Maeda personally. He makes $3 million a year on a long-term deal, and that’s way less than the value he provides. His way of making up for that when he signed the deal was building in performance bonuses into his contract that could snag him millions more each year. Specifically:
$1M each for 15 and 20 games started; $1.5M each for 25, 30, and 32 games started; $250,000 each for 90, 100, 110, 120, 130, 140, 150, 160, 170, 180, and 190 innings pitched; and $750,000 for 200 innings pitched.
In the four seasons Maeda has had that deal — 2016 through 2019 — he has started 32, 25, 20 and 26 games, respectively. His innings over that span: 175.2, 134.1, 125.1, and 153.2. The operation of that $3 million base plus incentives means that his salary has gone from $7.25 million in 2016, down to $4.25 million in 2017, down to $3 million in 2018, and then bouncing back up to $5.4 million in 2019.
Maeda has been a somewhat more effective pitcher as a reliever than as a starter, but that would probably track for most starters. Either way, it’s a workload that Maeda, who won the Japanese equivalent of the Cy Young Award twice before coming to the United States, would like to see expanded.
Given that Hyun-Jin Ryu is a free agent and may not be back, he might have a chance to see that happen this year. But then again, he has been a part of the rotation every offseason and every early season for the past four years. Starting in September and October has been another story.
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Post by truedodger on Nov 18, 2019 22:47:58 GMT
LOL
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Post by Blunashun on Nov 19, 2019 0:29:49 GMT
'In the four seasons Maeda has had that deal — 2016 through 2019 — he has started 32, 25, 20 and 26 games, respectively. His innings over that span: 175.2, 134.1, 125.1, and 153.2. The operation of that $3 million base plus incentives means that his salary has gone from $7.25 million in 2016, down to $4.25 million in 2017, down to $3 million in 2018, and then bouncing back up to $5.4 million in 2019.'
Not sure where McCullough got those figures. This past year Maeda made $3,125,000 + $150,000 for making the opening day roster + $3,500,000 for 26 starts + $1,750,000 for innings pitched. That = $8,525,000.
But this pretty much said it all.
"He prepares to be a starter during spring training. Over the course of two dozen outings, he performs like a credible member of the rotation. As summer turns to fall, the team shifts him into the bullpen, where he pitches like an elite reliever and forms part of the bridge to closer Kenley Jansen."
Trade him.
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Post by 20DodgerMiracle24 on Nov 19, 2019 5:17:38 GMT
'In the four seasons Maeda has had that deal — 2016 through 2019 — he has started 32, 25, 20 and 26 games, respectively. His innings over that span: 175.2, 134.1, 125.1, and 153.2. The operation of that $3 million base plus incentives means that his salary has gone from $7.25 million in 2016, down to $4.25 million in 2017, down to $3 million in 2018, and then bouncing back up to $5.4 million in 2019.' Not sure where McCullough got those figures. This past year Maeda made $3,125,000 + $150,000 for making the opening day roster + $3,500,000 for 26 starts + $1,750,000 for innings pitched. That = $8,525,000. But this pretty much said it all. "He prepares to be a starter during spring training. Over the course of two dozen outings, he performs like a credible member of the rotation. As summer turns to fall, the team shifts him into the bullpen, where he pitches like an elite reliever and forms part of the bridge to closer Kenley Jansen." Trade him. Well, it looks like our pitching staff, both the rotation and bullpen is in for an overhaul this winter. We could lose Hill and Ryu, and now Maeda. I think we better seriously consider signing that Korean star we heard about a couple weeks ago and perhaps put Stripling in the rotation. He's proven he can hold his own as a starter. There will probably be a FA signing or two for pitchers. Another to go should obviously be Kelly but we're bound to him for another few years aren't we? Jansen was shaky but the rest of the bullpen was pretty reliable over the entire season after the early season was past. Still, we need to look into imports for the 'pen. The rotation has Beuhler, Kershaw and Gonsolin set, and I'm betting we keep Ryu, so who's #5? May is a possibility, but I"ve said before that we shouldn't have two kids in the rotation. Josiah Gray is'nt supposed to be MLB ready till '21, but he could be called up about mid-season if he tears up AAA. And our #1 pick in '18, JT Ginn, opted for Ole Miss and he's done great there. Maybe we could re-draft him and I don't know, maybe he'd be MLB ready. Between pitching, 3B and 2B, this off-season will be very interesting.
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Post by truedodger on Nov 19, 2019 21:23:57 GMT
Yeah, I like Kenta san a lot but he is good as a starter and great as a reliever. The thing is that if he is unhappy going to the pen then the team should trade him and avoid him saying over that he is unhappy. We'll definitely get some good value for him.
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Post by truedodger on Nov 19, 2019 21:40:09 GMT
Well, it looks like our pitching staff, both the rotation and bullpen is in for an overhaul this winter. We could lose Hill and Ryu, and now Maeda. I think we better seriously consider signing that Korean star we heard about a couple weeks ago and perhaps put Stripling in the rotation. He's proven he can hold his own as a starter. There will probably be a FA signing or two for pitchers. Another to go should obviously be Kelly but we're bound to him for another few years aren't we? Jansen was shaky but the rest of the bullpen was pretty reliable over the entire season after the early season was past. Still, we need to look into imports for the 'pen. The rotation has Beuhler, Kershaw and Gonsolin set, and I'm betting we keep Ryu, so who's #5? May is a possibility, but I"ve said before that we shouldn't have two kids in the rotation. Josiah Gray is'nt supposed to be MLB ready till '21, but he could be called up about mid-season if he tears up AAA. And our #1 pick in '18, JT Ginn, opted for Ole Miss and he's done great there. Maybe we could re-draft him and I don't know, maybe he'd be MLB ready. Between pitching, 3B and 2B, this off-season will be very interesting. 1. I'd hate to lose Maeda mostly because of his relieving ability. Hill and Ryu I am totally fine with moving on. This team is good enough to wait and see what is available towards the deadline in the starting pitching market. It probably is best. A guy like Syndergaard may become available and we should have the pieces to make a valid offer. I also wouldn't have an issue with Stripling being given the opportunity at being the #5 starter in the rotation and then going to the pen like Maeda. 2. I am not a gambler but I'm willing to bet that all Kelly, Jansen and Pollock have bounce back years. I'd agree that an arm in the pen is needed and a guy like Pomeranz would be huge in the pen. 3. I like Buehler, Kershaw, and Gonsolin. Friedman has said that Urias will be given a shot at a starting spot. So that's four and if Maeda sticks around that's five with May filling in as needed, starting or relieving as needed, and or going up and down as needed. For me definitely move away from Ryu. He has an injury history and is getting older and will be 33 years old for next season wanting a 4 year deal. 4. I think pitching is good, except for an arm in the pen. I think 3B JT can handle one more year with load management and 2B is more than manned adequately with Lux. Dodgers look good.
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Post by jrgreene6 on Nov 19, 2019 22:55:18 GMT
I think both Hill & Ryu might be back on limited years (maybe only one or two - especially for Hill) and for a reasonable price, so I’d sign both.
If there’s one thing we know, especially with our IL history, we can NEVER have too much pitching.
Hill, when healthy (which is about as often as Pollock) is a very good fourth or fifth starter for our rotation and I don’t think he’s going to want multi-years and tens of millions, especially with his history
Ryu loves LA and may be willing to forgo a four year deal; maybe sign him to two, with a club option or payout for years three and / or four.
I hope TD is right about Jansen. Kelly is going to be Kelly - a 4.00 plus ERA overpaid pitcher. He’s never shown any signs in his history of much more.
And Pollock is likely going to be on the IL at some point in 2020; again, history doesn’t lie.
GO DODGERS!!!
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Post by truedodger on Nov 20, 2019 1:15:27 GMT
I think both Hill & Ryu might be back on limited years (maybe only one or two - especially for Hill) and for a reasonable price, so I’d sign both.
If there’s one thing we know, especially with our IL history, we can NEVER have too much pitching.
Hill, when healthy (which is about as often as Pollock) is a very good fourth or fifth starter for our rotation and I don’t think he’s going to want multi-years and tens of millions, especially with his history
Ryu loves LA and may be willing to forgo a four year deal; maybe sign him to two, with a club option or payout for years three and / or four.I hope TD is right about Jansen. Kelly is going to be Kelly - a 4.00 plus ERA overpaid pitcher. He’s never shown any signs in his history of much more. And Pollock is likely going to be on the IL at some point in 2020; again, history doesn’t lie. GO DODGERS!!! You're totally right that this team can never have enough pitching. Over the years there has been a need for depth because guys have been on the IL. But part, if not most of that has been because of Hill and Ryu being on the IL themselves. Now they keep getting older. Hill spends most of the year on the IL and Ryu has a history of it as well. Hill has not been trusted to go past 4 or 5 innings in post- season, we've witnessed that over the years. This year his lone start netted 2.2 IP and I don't see him converting to a shut down reliever for post- season either. Ryu has had some clunkers in post- season and he has always said he doesn't want to pitch out of the pen. More than ever we need studs that can start and relieve like the Nationals' if necessary. If the team can get different guys I think they should.
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Post by jrgreene6 on Nov 20, 2019 1:58:09 GMT
I don’t disagree that there are significantly better options available - Cole, Wheeler, Strasburg, Odorizzi to name a few.
But those top tier guys are all going to be looking for multi (think five plus) year deals at astronomical and possibly record setting (see Cole) amounts per annum.
If there’s one thing this current management and ownership group has shown and stayed consistent with, it is that they will not be making offers of that caliber, no matter who or how good that player was.
So, the chances of them going after and landing an arm of that caliber is limited.
Some of the other guys available aren’t much, if any of an improvement over either Hill or Ryu. Hill went seven plus in Game Four of 2018 and was pulled too early by nervous nelly Roberts.
He shouldn’t have been on the 2019 postseason roster after having only been off the IL a couple of weeks.
Ryu has held his own for most of his postseason starts and threw the only winning game I saw in Milwaukee. He came in second for the Cy Young this year, for crying out loud.
Yes, he seemed to tire toward the end of the season and did his usual stint on the IL. But he was also 13 - 5 and I’d put him on the postseason mound 99 times out of 100 over Kershaw.
GO DODGERS!!!
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Post by Blunashun on Nov 20, 2019 12:37:30 GMT
I should stress that I don't blame Kenta or think of him as a selfish head case. In fact I wondered what took so long.
That said, he was our fifth (maybe sixth) best starter this past season. As a starter, he nibbles a lot & so throws a lot of pitches. As a reliever, he attacks the strike zone.
I speculated if the Dodgers could restructure his contract so he gets the same bonus money for relief appearances, relief innings, games finished, etc. It seems doable.
Friedman might have been a bit lazy in addressing our bullpen problems before & during the season because he knew he had Maeda as a fallback option. That had to piss Kenta off. He was still a back of the rotation starter for us, however.
I've proposed including him in deals before because of how attractive his contract would make him to small market teams. He's a risk free investment.
We might be entering 2020 with a lot of young (& very cheap) question marks. It would be nice to have Maeda back. But if Friedman has other plans, then I wish Kenta well in his new digs.
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Post by truedodger on Nov 20, 2019 16:34:13 GMT
That said, he was our fifth (maybe sixth) best starter this past season. As a starter, he nibbles a lot & so throws a lot of pitches. As a reliever, he attacks the strike zone. He wants to start. Can't blame him for that. The team says he should get better at it if that's what he wants. So, yeah, just avoid the issue and Friedman should trade him. jr points out that Ryu has been better than Kershaw in post- season and he's totally right and wants Hill back. The thing for me is this. We have a bunch of guys that are similar in the sense that they throw 89- 91 mph, Kershaw, Ryu, Hill, Maeda, Stripling, to me that is a problem. Yes, they get the job done at times but we need stud throwers in post- season like Buehler. Glad Urias and Gonsolin or May might take the other couple of spots.
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Post by jrgreene6 on Nov 20, 2019 18:59:56 GMT
That said, he was our fifth (maybe sixth) best starter this past season. As a starter, he nibbles a lot & so throws a lot of pitches. As a reliever, he attacks the strike zone. He wants to start. Can't blame him for that. The team says he should get better at it if that's what he wants. So, yeah, just avoid the issue and Friedman should trade him. jr points out that Ryu has been better than Kershaw in post- season and he's totally right and wants Hill back. The thing for me is this. We have a bunch of guys that are similar in the sense that they throw 89- 91 mph, Kershaw, Ryu, Hill, Maeda, Stripling, to me that is a problem. Yes, they get the job done at times but we need stud throwers in post- season like Buehler. Glad Urias and Gonsolin or May might take the other couple of spots. Never said I “wanted” Hill back. I just think he’s a decent and likely fairly cheap option that would give us a bit of insurance in the rotation. May got a small shot in the postseason and didn’t fare all that well. Youth and inexperience is as big of an issue as aging guys like Kersh, Hill and Ryu. And three “power” starters in a row doesn’t necessarily guarantee success - look no further than Houston this year. And imagine how different the 2017 series might have been without their cheating. The dude I feel for is Urias. They’ve been screwing around with this kid for three or four years now. Is he a starter or a long reliever? Every year they say he’s going to get a shot as part of the rotation and then he seems to get some early and spot starts, but then he does something stupid like getting suspended last year. And he was out most of a year due to injury. They need to make a decision with Julio early on and stick with it. May and Goose will get their shots soon enough. But I, like you am not too keen on having 2/5 of our starting rotation being basically rookies. Especially come October. GO DODGERS!!!
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Post by truedodger on Nov 21, 2019 17:02:13 GMT
He wants to start. Can't blame him for that. The team says he should get better at it if that's what he wants. So, yeah, just avoid the issue and Friedman should trade him. jr points out that Ryu has been better than Kershaw in post- season and he's totally right and wants Hill back. The thing for me is this. We have a bunch of guys that are similar in the sense that they throw 89- 91 mph, Kershaw, Ryu, Hill, Maeda, Stripling, to me that is a problem. Yes, they get the job done at times but we need stud throwers in post- season like Buehler. Glad Urias and Gonsolin or May might take the other couple of spots. Never said I “wanted” Hill back. I just think he’s a decent and likely fairly cheap option that would give us a bit of insurance in the rotation. May got a small shot in the postseason and didn’t fare all that well. Youth and inexperience is as big of an issue as aging guys like Kersh, Hill and Ryu. And three “power” starters in a row doesn’t necessarily guarantee success - look no further than Houston this year. And imagine how different the 2017 series might have been without their cheating. The dude I feel for is Urias. They’ve been screwing around with this kid for three or four years now. Is he a starter or a long reliever? Every year they say he’s going to get a shot as part of the rotation and then he seems to get some early and spot starts, but then he does something stupid like getting suspended last year. And he was out most of a year due to injury. They need to make a decision with Julio early on and stick with it. May and Goose will get their shots soon enough. But I, like you am not too keen on having 2/5 of our starting rotation being basically rookies. Especially come October. GO DODGERS!!! My bad, I thought you were saying to bring back Hill. We'll disagree on bringing back Ryu though. My reason is that whatever money is paid to Hill is money lost. We can bank on him hitting the IL every single time. I'd rather save the money and invest it on someone else or give a young guy a chance. Same for Ryu since he is injury prone and I believe he will get paid for what he has done in today's market and we'll regret it in 3 years just like Kershaw. I agree that Urias should be given an opportunity once and for all to either start or relieve. The issue is that he was coming back from injury and there weren't enough spots to put him in the rotation when he came back so we'll now. I really like power arms and think they can do well for us. I consider Cole and Verlander power arms but not Greinke. I might be extremely optimistic but I think that the talent these young guys have thwarts experience since that experience is often absent due to IL stints. I think the team has enough to compete for the division and can wait to around the deadline to acquire a guy like Syndergaard. Wouldn't that be something.
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Post by truedodger on Nov 21, 2019 17:06:48 GMT
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OFFICIAL: The #WhiteSox have agreed to terms on a four-year, $73-million contract with free agent All-Star catcher Yasmani Grandal (@yazmaniandvl08). Under terms of the agreement, Grandal will receive $18.25 million per year from 2020-2023.
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