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Post by El Pinguino on Oct 14, 2019 15:01:20 GMT
How many more opportunities to win the WS are we going to let this guy ruin? I mean look at other pitchers who just give it their all in the post season. Anibal Sanchez? Come on. I am still fuming from our early boot from the playoffs thanks to the perennial choker. I know it is not all his fault, but fact are facts, Kerchoke is not a big game pitcher and never will be. going forward, Kershaw should NOT start any game 1-3 or deciding game. The guy is NOT an ace and clearly doesn't deserve any consideration for his storied regular season accomplishments. IMO, he cannot redeem himself ever so stop giving him a chance t do so.
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Post by jrgreene6 on Oct 14, 2019 16:34:54 GMT
How many more opportunities to win the WS are we going to let this guy ruin? I mean look at other pitchers who just give it their all in the post season. Anibal Sanchez? Come on. I am still fuming from our early boot from the playoffs thanks to the perennial choker. I know it is not all his fault, but fact are facts, Kerchoke is not a big game pitcher and never will be. going forward, Kershaw should NOT start any game 1-3 or deciding game. The guy is NOT an ace and clearly doesn't deserve any consideration for his storied regular season accomplishments. IMO, he cannot redeem himself ever so stop giving him a chance t do so. Drops mic..... I concur with this entire post and said going into the Nats series he shouldn’t have started either home game. Granted, our offense didn’t do much for him in Game Two, but it’s tough to keep coming back time after time when you’re down by two or three after the first couple of innings. Kersh’s first inning ERA this year was north of seven for most of the season (not sure what it was going into October). That ALONE should have triggered at least the thought of bumping him to allow Ferris & Ryu to pitch the openers and a better probability for us to go to DC up two - zip. But DDF II was bound and determined to let his “ace” pitch at home. Maybe if Turner shags that double down the line, we’re looking forward to playing Game 3 in St. Louis tonight. Who knows? And now the biggest issue with Kersh is going to be his mental status going forward. He’s blown postseason games before, but never one this early in the tournament via back to back HR’s. This game is probably going to haunt him worse than all of his other 💩 postseason appearances combined. And as I said in another thread, it might take some type of hypnotic voodoo to get this and all of his postseason eff-ups gone from his memory. Maybe they can do a Total Recall on him and replace all of the bad games with good ones. Get him a few replica WS rings via e-Bay, etc. Whatevee it takes. But from here out, his postseason work should be limited. Just like it should have been in Game Five. He got the BIG out we needed there. Let THAT get banked in his memory as a moment that allowed us to advance. Maybe he uses that as motivation and pitches like he should the next two series. But now - he’s got just another ugly dark cloud moment to add to his collection and we’ve got another year of “wait ‘til next year” to tell ourselves. GO DODGERS!!! |
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 14, 2019 19:37:38 GMT
Kelly didn't help none neither. Still say I can get rid of Joe with a frisbee & shovel. Take him on a ride out to the desert. Let him hang his head out the window. Get to a secluded spot & wave the frisbee.
"Go long, little Joe! There's a good boy!"
Bong!! Use the insurance money to get a real reliever. Tell Friedman we're sorry he lost his lockdown post-season guy. Don't spend this on Cody Allen.
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Post by El Pinguino on Oct 14, 2019 20:14:25 GMT
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 14, 2019 21:51:39 GMT
"He is never getting over this. Clayton Kershaw is never getting over this."
Ouch!
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 15, 2019 3:31:33 GMT
That commentator mentioned Clayton trying to be too perfect with his pitches & grooving them. Hence the back to back homers. I instantly thought of his first postseason meltdown. He had like 5 walks & 3 wild pitches against the Phillies in 2009. He was just 21 years old. Did that scar him?
All those times we thought maybe he was tipping his pitches or the Cardinals were stealing signs (not that they wouldn't) was just Kershaw throwing them right down the pipe. They knew what we didn't want to accept.
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Post by lasnoopyla on Oct 15, 2019 6:47:46 GMT
Dude could have had a boost to his confidence had they pulled him after he got the last out of that inning. That should have been it for him. Everybody in the world knew that should have been all he pitched, followed up with Maeda starting the next inning. Everyone but Roberts obviously. Can’t believe he didn’t get the boot for that. How many times does the dude get to make these asinine pitching moves before they say that’s enough already? Kershaw would have been viewed completely different had they just let him get that one out. NO other manager would have let him start the next inning with his recent first inning BS!
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Post by El Pinguino on Oct 17, 2019 14:48:27 GMT
"He is never getting over this. Clayton Kershaw is never getting over this." Ouch! That is 7 post seasons that he has performed terribly in. 2017 is the one that hurts the most. They gave the choker 7 mother freaking runs!!! |
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 18, 2019 22:46:21 GMT
Was listening to Fred Roggin & Rodney Peete today. David Vassegh came on & gave that bullshit story of Kershaw maybe tipping pitches again. That's why he was pitching out of the stretch when he gave up those two bombs. Clayton gave up a lot of homeruns this year. Most were with the bases empty, when he was using his windup.
Okay, then was he still tipping his pitches out of the stretch? That second pitch looked mighty fat to me. Vassegh really doesn't think about what he's saying. I reiterate that he's an idiot.
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Post by truedodger on Oct 19, 2019 4:34:07 GMT
Was listening to Fred Roggin & Rodney Peete today. David Vassegh came on & gave that bullshit story of Kershaw maybe tipping pitches again. That's why he was pitching out of the stretch when he gave up those two bombs. Clayton gave up a lot of homeruns this year. Most were with the bases empty, when he was using his windup. Okay, then was he still tipping his pitches out of the stretch? That second pitch looked mighty fat to me. Vassegh really doesn't think about what he's saying. I reiterate that he's an idiot. I heard that and immediately thought bullshit. He's become a total douche! |
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Post by 20DodgerMiracle24 on Oct 19, 2019 6:00:01 GMT
How many more opportunities to win the WS are we going to let this guy ruin? I mean look at other pitchers who just give it their all in the post season. Anibal Sanchez? Come on. I am still fuming from our early boot from the playoffs thanks to the perennial choker. I know it is not all his fault, but fact are facts, Kerchoke is not a big game pitcher and never will be. going forward, Kershaw should NOT start any game 1-3 or deciding game. The guy is NOT an ace and clearly doesn't deserve any consideration for his storied regular season accomplishments. IMO, he cannot redeem himself ever so stop giving him a chance t do so. Drops mic..... Sad, but Clayton just doesn't "Have what it takes" to pitch in the playoffs. In comparing him to Sandy Koufax, he'll always suffer cos Koufax was great in the world series as well as the regular season. There's just no rhyme or reason. Another Dodger pitcher who was usually pretty good in the regular season but also choked in the post season and Tommy Lasorda compared him to Don Drysdale: Bob Welch. After striking out Reggie Jackson in the '78 WS, that was his 15 minutes of fame. That was the only time Welch got Jackson out. Jackson homered off him in game 6. In the '81 WS, Welch pitched to four hitters and the all got hits off him, and that was his only appearance. I hate to say this, but Clayton is becoming a liability. He certainly helped get us to the playoffs since he was barely 21, but he just can't handle it. I'm tempted to say that next year in the playoffs, leave him off the roster. |
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 19, 2019 18:10:21 GMT
Vassegh was defending Roberts too. Saying he had faith in Kershaw. Why? What has he done to earn that faith? Even Vassegh had to admit though that Clayton was left in too long & maybe he himself was surprised by that.
He said Roberts can't hit for the team. Fair enough. But didn't Buehler hand Kershaw a 3-1 lead? Then Kershaw handed Maeda a 3-3 tie. Kenta threw 14 whole pitches before being yanked. This is a guy who spent most of the season starting. Maeda struck out the side.
Enter Joe Jelly. Jelly threw 32 pitches. Jelly had a 4.56 ERA during the regular season. He was making vague excuses before the postseason even got underway. It was pretty obvious he didn't want to be there.
Friedman put his ego first & included Jelly over Gonsolin. That tempted Dave to actually use Jelly in something other than mop-up duty. The rest is history.
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Post by jrgreene6 on Oct 19, 2019 18:40:48 GMT
Vassegh was defending Roberts too. Saying he had faith in Kershaw. Why? What has he done to earn that faith? Even Vassegh had to admit though that Clayton was left in too long & maybe he himself was surprised by that. He said Roberts can't hit for the team. Fair enough. But didn't Buehler hand Kershaw a 3-1 lead? Then Kershaw handed Maeda a 3-3 tie. Kenta threw 14 whole pitches before being yanked. This is a guy who spent most of the season starting. Maeda struck out the side. Enter Joe Jelly. Jelly threw 32 pitches. Jelly had a 4.56 ERA during the regular season. He was making vague excuses before the postseason even got underway. It was pretty obvious he didn't want to be there. Friedman put his ego first & included Jelly over Gonsolin. That tempted Dave to actually use Jelly in something other than mop-up duty. The rest is history. I actually agreed with using him as opposed to the Vulture in the ninth and he did his job, striking out two and getting a weak pop-up. But for Daisy to expect a second inning like that out of him was completely unfounded and ridiculous. Dude showed time and time again throughout the year that he was done after one and every time he got a second inning, he was lit up like 100 fatties at Coachella. He should have never been in there, but then again, there should have never been a tenth inning. Daisy’s inexplicable devotion to Kershaw was our downfall and it will haunt both of them the rest of their careers. You have to wonder just what DDF II has to do to warrant his release. Two blown WS and now this. I read on that previous board that most games are won and lost by the players and managerial decisions normally affect less than four or five games a year. It’s most unfortunate that those of ours have reared their ugly heads in October and possibly cost us two or three titles. None more obvious than this year and the Kershaw debacle. GO DODGERS!!! |
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 19, 2019 20:24:48 GMT
Vassegh was defending Roberts too. Saying he had faith in Kershaw. Why? What has he done to earn that faith? Even Vassegh had to admit though that Clayton was left in too long & maybe he himself was surprised by that. He said Roberts can't hit for the team. Fair enough. But didn't Buehler hand Kershaw a 3-1 lead? Then Kershaw handed Maeda a 3-3 tie. Kenta threw 14 whole pitches before being yanked. This is a guy who spent most of the season starting. Maeda struck out the side. Enter Joe Jelly. Jelly threw 32 pitches. Jelly had a 4.56 ERA during the regular season. He was making vague excuses before the postseason even got underway. It was pretty obvious he didn't want to be there. Friedman put his ego first & included Jelly over Gonsolin. That tempted Dave to actually use Jelly in something other than mop-up duty. The rest is history. I actually agreed with using him as opposed to the Vulture in the ninth and he did his job, striking out two and getting a weak pop-up. But for Daisy to expect a second inning like that out of him was completely unfounded and ridiculous. Dude showed time and time again throughout the year that he was done after one and every time he got a second inning, he was lit up like 100 fatties at Coachella. He should have never been in there, but then again, there should have never been a tenth inning. Daisy’s inexplicable devotion to Kershaw was our downfall and it will haunt both of them the rest of their careers. You have to wonder just what DDF II has to do to warrant his release. Two blown WS and now this. I read on that previous board that most games are won and lost by the players and managerial decisions normally affect less than four or five games a year. It’s most unfortunate that those of ours have reared their ugly heads in October and possibly cost us two or three titles. None more obvious than this year and the Kershaw debacle. GO DODGERS!!! But Kenta had only thrown 14 pitches & he struck out the side. Jelly had three walks & didn't record a single out in his previous appearance. A 10-4 Dodger win. |
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Post by jrgreene6 on Oct 19, 2019 21:44:29 GMT
I actually agreed with using him as opposed to the Vulture in the ninth and he did his job, striking out two and getting a weak pop-up. But for Daisy to expect a second inning like that out of him was completely unfounded and ridiculous. Dude showed time and time again throughout the year that he was done after one and every time he got a second inning, he was lit up like 100 fatties at Coachella. He should have never been in there, but then again, there should have never been a tenth inning. Daisy’s inexplicable devotion to Kershaw was our downfall and it will haunt both of them the rest of their careers. You have to wonder just what DDF II has to do to warrant his release. Two blown WS and now this. I read on that previous board that most games are won and lost by the players and managerial decisions normally affect less than four or five games a year. It’s most unfortunate that those of ours have reared their ugly heads in October and possibly cost us two or three titles. None more obvious than this year and the Kershaw debacle. GO DODGERS!!! But Kenta had only thrown 14 pitches & he struck out the side. Jelly had three walks & didn't record a single out in his previous appearance. A 10-4 Dodger win. I think Daisy was hoping and praying we’d win it in the bottom of the ninth. Or maybe he (or his analytics book, more than likely) didn’t like Kenta against the guys coming up in the ninth. His biggest blunder was not having Kenta START the eighth - but we ALL KNOW THAT already. Well, at least everybody but Daisy. GO DODGERS!!! |
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