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Post by truedodger on Oct 10, 2019 15:31:24 GMT
Man, was I ticked last night.
Two reasons the Dodgers don't have a World Series in the last 3 years. Dave Roberts and Clayton Kershaw!
Can't get rid of Kershaw and his bloated contract, who's going to take him?
But I'm glad people all over Los Angeles are calling for this buffoon's DDF head.
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Post by truedodger on Oct 10, 2019 15:34:27 GMT
Normally, I don't like how he handles the pitching, but pulling Ferris when he did was the right move. Kershaw is a vet pitcher and he blew Ferris' brilliant game and cost him a win. Therefore, correction: we're not winning any world series with Kershaw on the team. He looked the worst I've ever seen him, and he had some bad outings this past year. But down thru his career, he's proven he's not a post season pitcher. He's so often compared to Sandy Koufax, and rightfully so. Koufax was brilliant in the WS, at a time when there were 10 teams and no divisions. Who's to blame for him having to retire at 30? Walter Alston, who pitched him over 300 innings for at least three years. So what's Kershaw's excuse? Probably wear and tear on his arm going all the way back to high school. During the regular season, though he had some great outings, he also made himself look like a bush leaguer. I know Kelly is the losing pitcher and rightfully so, but it was looking like a low scoring game. How did Kelly pitch a brilliant 8th and then do a 180 in the 10th? Roberts is not to blame for this loss. Got to disagree on the fact that Roberts isn't to blame. I agree with you that it was the right call to pull Beuhler when he did and I don't have a probably bringing Kershaw in to get the last out, but it's downright STUPID to leave Kershaw in the game when the heart of the order is coming up. What's wrong with Maeda or May or any of the other guys in the bullpen? Our bullpen was not overtaxed this series. This is Roberts trying to create some headlines rather than win the game. I'm willing to bet he had it running through his head "Dominant Kershaw closes out NLDS" or some dumb shit like that. Roberts has been making boneheaded decisions since he arrived. How do you not win a world series with back to back to back great/elite teams? That's 100% on the manager. Sure some players were slumping and not hitting, but this team has so much offensive hitting talent that it shouldn't matter. Well said. Pedro Martinez said in the post- game that it made no sense whatsoever to have Buehler throwing 98 and then leave in Kershaw to face Rendon and Soto a couple of the best hitters in the league throwing 89- 91
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Post by 88bulldog on Oct 10, 2019 15:35:47 GMT
Goodbye Dave! Losing this series is actually a blessing in disguise. Now we might actually get a real manager. We weren't winning a world series with Dave Roberts at the helm. Normally, I don't like how he handles the pitching, but pulling Ferris when he did was the right move. Kershaw is a vet pitcher and he blew Ferris' brilliant game and cost him a win. Therefore, correction: we're not winning any world series with Kershaw on the team. He looked the worst I've ever seen him, and he had some bad outings this past year. But down thru his career, he's proven he's not a post season pitcher. He's so often compared to Sandy Koufax, and rightfully so. Koufax was brilliant in the WS, at a time when there were 10 teams and no divisions. Who's to blame for him having to retire at 30? Walter Alston, who pitched him over 300 innings for at least three years. So what's Kershaw's excuse? Probably wear and tear on his arm going all the way back to high school. During the regular season, though he had some great outings, he also made himself look like a bush leaguer. I know Kelly is the losing pitcher and rightfully so, but it was looking like a low scoring game. How did Kelly pitch a brilliant 8th and then do a 180 in the 10th?
Roberts is not to blame for this loss.
C'mon man. You cannot defend that. Kelly faced the bottom of the order in the 9th (not the 8th) and then had Eaton, Rendon and Soto in the 10th. The entire world knew that was a mistake.
Doc is getting killed by the media, and rightfully so.
Josh Kraushaar Verified account @hotlinejosh Man, press is killing Dave Roberts — both in LA and nationally. Here’s ESPN’s @jeffpassan: “Dave Roberts will have to own this Dodgers disaster”
The Athletic LA Verified account @theathleticla Yu Darvish in 2017. Rich Hill in 2018. This isn't new with Dave Roberts, writes @bymccullough, but it's worse than ever. Roberts had a game plan, but it led the Dodgers only to shocking defeat, so this series loss will be remembered for Roberts' errors.
StockMatusow @stockmatusow The following articles sumizes why Dave Roberts should be fired as #Dodgers manager. He hasn't a clue what he did wrong and even defends his idiocy.. Remember, in 2017, he actually BLAMED Murrow for his own poor decision - this is what losers do -
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Post by 88bulldog on Oct 10, 2019 15:40:55 GMT
Six Dave Roberts moves in Game 5 that were head-scratching at best, malpractice at worst Written By Joe Rivera @joeriverasn
Hindsight, they say, is 20/20. But foresight is more valuable, especially for managers.
It's always easy to second-guess MLB managers when things go wrong, especially in the postseason. Every move is clinically dissected. It's a high-stakes game of Operation, except you're playing on stilts, suspended above a shark tank, while millions of people breathe down your metaphorical neck.
But this time, in NLDS Game 5 between the Dodgers and Nationals, it was obvious. You could see it coming, like a freight train in a dark tunnel. When the Dodgers blew Game 5, it was painful to watch, but it was also predictable. But it started well before Clayton Kershaw was called upon to relieve Walker Buehler.
“I’m going to have a hard time taking the ball out of Walker’s hands,” Roberts said Tuesday, per the Los Angeles Times. “But knowing you got Clayton behind him, and a slew of other pitchers, is more my thought.”
Arguably, the first mistake was actually bringing Kershaw into the game to begin with. While his postseason relief numbers were actually pretty good entering Wednesday night, allowing three runs in seven relief appearances (9 2/3 innings pitched), almost everybody saw this coming. So we'll call it the unofficial start to a string of questionable moves from Roberts.
Let's go to the tape for the real mistakes:
Mistake No. 1: Leaving Kershaw in too long. There's something about Clayton Kershaw and the postseason, and everyone knows it. His 4.43 ERA is nearly two runs higher than his career 2.43 ERA. Small sample sizes and all when it comes to postseason pitching, but this one was pretty obvious from the jump. Kershaw probably shouldn't have seen the mound for Game 5, especially after Buehler's lights-out performance, but he should have gotten the final out in the tough spot in the seventh and then sat for the eighth. It was clear as day.
Mistake No. 2: Not going to Maeda earlier. Maeda has been one of the best pitchers in baseball vs. right-handers all season, allowing a .158 batting average against with a .535 OPS in 312 plate appearances. It's hard to blame Kershaw for that Anthony Rendon home run because it was actually a decent pitch that Rendon did work with, but wouldn't you rather have a dominant righty in that situation?
Mistake No. 3: Joe Kelly for another inning. It's hard to argue against putting Joe Kelly in the game, considering he was one of LA's best relievers over the last two months of the season. Joe Kelly has actually been a money pitcher in the postseason in his career. Before allowing the six runs in this year's NLDS, he allowed one run in his past 14 postseason appearances.
Although, allowing Kelly to pitch to anyone with the bases loaded in the 10th inning is a really dangerous game. Gutsy.
Mistake No. 4: Too little, too late for Jansen. There's some doubletalk coming from Roberts here:
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi Dave Roberts said the decision for Clayton Kershaw to start the 8th was not an “analytic question.” Kershaw, he said, “is a guy I believe in.” Roberts indicated plan was for Kershaw to face Rendon and Soto, before bringing in Maeda for #Nats right-handers.
It's interesting to see Kershaw pegged as a guy he believes in while not even considering Jansen for a high-leverage spot earlier in the game, preferably when the bases were loaded and Howie Kendrick up. Kendrick, by the way, is hitless vs. Jansen in his career.
Jansen is as proven a postseason performer as it gets, pitching to a 2.01 ERA following last night's apperance, if you believe in such things. So, he's pretty good!
Mistake No. 5: Where's Adam Kolarek? Kolarek has done a sensational job of neutralizing lefty hitting all season, so it's curious to walk Juan Soto and load the bases, putting the Dodgers in a really precarious spot, as opposed to putting in Kolarek to neutralize Soto. Or, let Kolarek face Soto after the Rendon home run. Really no excuse for Kolarek to not have been in the game for one of those two situations.
Mistake No. 6: Too much gut. Maybe it was a front-office directive to put Kershaw in or devote to him earlier in the week. But if Roberts was full-on using his gut to make a move, then it was the wrong one.
In years past some criticism has been handed to Roberts that maybe he was too much on the side of the numbers, but if Game 5 was any indication, maybe Roberts doesn't have the necessary feel for the game.
It all resulted in an all-too-familiar elimination-game feeling for LA. This team has been too talented for too long not to break through, and losing in five, at home, to the wild card winner after being up two runs in the eighth inning.
What the future holds for Roberts in Dodger blue is murky. The team is still talented and will be for a long time, but with the rest of the NL catching up, you'd have to wonder whether the path to get to the Fall Classic is only going to get more difficult.
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Post by jrgreene6 on Oct 10, 2019 15:41:23 GMT
The thing is - Kershaw is traditionally a fast ball pitcher who has lost at least five mph over the last couple of years. He simply cannot blow people away like he used to.
When he got that final out in the seventh, I was thinking we were good to go. We had Maeda and then Kelly / Jansen or both for the ninth.
The first home run off Kersh was on a bad pitch only a foot off the ground. But like a golfer, the dude just went down and got it with pretty much a golfers swing.
The second one was a “slow” fastball right down the middle that was just blasted as it was exactly what the batter was sitting on.
You can’t put a less than average fastball pitcher out there to a fastball hitting team, especially their third time through the order when they have already had two at bats to adjust their swings.
That’s why Maeda should have STARTED the eighth. He has looked great the entire series and had EXCELLENT movement on his pitches last night which is what was needed against those guys at that point of the game.
The ninth that Kelly pitched would have wrapped things up nicely, but to expect a second inning like that out of him was retarded. And Daisy should have known that.
I pretty much think they lost the game in the first inning. If either Bella or Seager gets a hit, walk - whatever - we’re probably looking at five or six runs (and possibly an early exit for Strasburg) rather than the two we ended up getting.
I love those two guys and Kersh as well - but their postseason play is crap and although we have seen this for years with Kersh, the other two are going to need to nut up in the future if they expect a ring.
I’ve never been a big fan of DDF II - I’ve never liked giving guys one of the most prestigious managing jobs in the league to guys with little to zero managing experience (see DDF, the original).
They could probably get Girardi or Madden in a heartbeat; but I pretty much guarantee neither even gets an interview and Doc continues to ride on his “division titles / playoff appearances” platform for years to come.
GO DODGERS!!!
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Post by 88bulldog on Oct 10, 2019 15:48:57 GMT
Maddon, Girardi or Showalter. If not those 3 then stick with what we've got. No more rookies for this job.
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Post by truedodger on Oct 10, 2019 16:01:33 GMT
I’ve never been a big fan of DDF II - I’ve never liked giving guys one of the most prestigious managing jobs in the league to guys with little to zero managing experience (see DDF, the original). They could probably get Girardi or Madden in a heartbeat; but I pretty much guarantee neither even gets an interview and Doc continues to ride on his “division titles / playoff appearances” platform for years to come.
GO DODGERS!!! Fudge I hate it that you're right about this. Francona has been suggested as well. And I love what Scioscia did for the Angles. Or even Showalter that Machado is suggesting to the Pads. One of those guys would be fantastic.
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Post by 20DodgerMiracle24 on Oct 10, 2019 16:09:40 GMT
Man, was I ticked last night. Two reasons the Dodgers don't have a World Series in the last 3 years. Dave Roberts and Clayton Kershaw! Can't get rid of Kershaw and his bloated contract, who's going to take him?But I'm glad people all over Los Angeles are calling for this buffoon's DDF head. Yeah we're stuck with him two more seasons and I can't imagine what team would take him, except maybe the Rockies or Orioles. Even if he gets lit up with those teams, he can mentor the young pitchers. I bet next year his ERA will be close to 4.
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 10, 2019 16:11:12 GMT
Normally, I don't like how he handles the pitching, but pulling Ferris when he did was the right move. Kershaw is a vet pitcher and he blew Ferris' brilliant game and cost him a win. Therefore, correction: we're not winning any world series with Kershaw on the team. He looked the worst I've ever seen him, and he had some bad outings this past year. But down thru his career, he's proven he's not a post season pitcher. He's so often compared to Sandy Koufax, and rightfully so. Koufax was brilliant in the WS, at a time when there were 10 teams and no divisions. Who's to blame for him having to retire at 30? Walter Alston, who pitched him over 300 innings for at least three years. So what's Kershaw's excuse? Probably wear and tear on his arm going all the way back to high school. During the regular season, though he had some great outings, he also made himself look like a bush leaguer. I know Kelly is the losing pitcher and rightfully so, but it was looking like a low scoring game. How did Kelly pitch a brilliant 8th and then do a 180 in the 10th? Roberts is not to blame for this loss. Highly disagree. Roberts is directly 100% to blame for this loss. Kershaw got the inning ending out, that should have been it for him. Maeda should have started the next inning. Everyone but Roberts seems to have known that. Left him in after allowing a homer. Kershaw ain’t taking himself out. Roberts is completely at fault for this loss IMHO!!! And David Vassegh. He didn't know either.
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Post by truedodger on Oct 10, 2019 16:15:51 GMT
Man, was I ticked last night. Two reasons the Dodgers don't have a World Series in the last 3 years. Dave Roberts and Clayton Kershaw! Can't get rid of Kershaw and his bloated contract, who's going to take him?But I'm glad people all over Los Angeles are calling for this buffoon's DDF head. Yeah we're stuck with him two more seasons and I can't imagine what team would take him, except maybe the Rockies or Orioles. Even if he gets lit up with those teams, he can mentor the young pitchers. I bet next year his ERA will be close to 4. Yeah, Kershaw was a good #3 this year, he may be a good #4 next year. But it's pretty obvious to everyone that Kershaw in 2019 is not Kershaw from 2013, well except DDF! I don't see Ryu returning, Boras will probably get a good deal for him somewhere else. And, I don't want Hill back. So, Kershaw can slide in to the 4th or 5th slot. We have Gonsolin, May, Urias, Maeda, Stripling that deserve a shot at rotation spots.
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 10, 2019 16:26:17 GMT
Man, was I ticked last night. Two reasons the Dodgers don't have a World Series in the last 3 years. Dave Roberts and Clayton Kershaw! Can't get rid of Kershaw and his bloated contract, who's going to take him?But I'm glad people all over Los Angeles are calling for this buffoon's DDF head. Yeah we're stuck with him two more seasons and I can't imagine what team would take him, except maybe the Rockies or Orioles. Even if he gets lit up with those teams, he can mentor the young pitchers. I bet next year his ERA will be close to 4. Friedman would never hire Mike & I don't blame him for that. Scioscia is a control freak.
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Post by El Pinguino on Oct 10, 2019 17:27:29 GMT
Highly disagree. Roberts is directly 100% to blame for this loss. Kershaw got the inning ending out, that should have been it for him. Maeda should have started the next inning. Everyone but Roberts seems to have known that. Left him in after allowing a homer. Kershaw ain’t taking himself out. Roberts is completely at fault for this loss IMHO!!! And David Vassegh. He didn't know either. Vassegh is a total homer. Last night on Ddogertalk, He didn't allow any of the callers to vent or share their opinions on Roberts and Kershaw. Vassegh being friends with all these players is a problem. he wont allow negative comments against players and managers.
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 10, 2019 17:33:40 GMT
And David Vassegh. He didn't know either. Vassegh is a total homer. Last night on Ddogertalk, He didn't allow any of the callers to vent or share their opinions on Roberts and Kershaw. Vassegh being friends with all these players is a problem. he wont allow negative comments against players and managers. Yeah. I was "asinine" for wanting Kike instead of Pollock, & saying Kershaw was terrible in the playoffs. He quickly pulled the plug. Pollock didn't start. Kike did & he hit a homerun. Kershaw coughed up the lead. Good thing we have Vassegh around to keep us on the straight & narrow.
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Post by El Pinguino on Oct 10, 2019 17:36:20 GMT
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Post by El Pinguino on Oct 10, 2019 17:38:13 GMT
Oldie but still funny.
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