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Post by jrgreene6 on May 5, 2019 4:24:15 GMT
F’in Kelly again! Time to admit they TOTALLY f’d up on this one. Dude is simply awful. Strip in now - supposed to be our multi inning long reliever.
I’d say the sixth would have to be considered a time for a long reliever much more than the eighth. Why not bring him in then for an inning or three? Why save him for the eighth?
Another head scratcher by Doc. Especially when he continues to use a dude that has singlehandedly blown more games than the rest of the staff combined?
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Post by jrgreene6 on May 5, 2019 23:15:14 GMT
Wow - just wow! Pen continues to falter. Just knew Jansen was playing with fire there. Put three on with no outs isn’t a recipe for success.
Another loss to one of the worst pens in the league. Isn’t it about time for the beancounters to loosen the pursestrings? How many losses and how high does the ERA need to reach?
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Post by jrgreene6 on May 6, 2019 15:58:19 GMT
Anyone else worried about this besides me? Okay - it’s only been just over a month. Two things I feel are certain:
1) We signed the wrong Red Sock. Joe Kelly sucks and I don’t trust him with a ten run lead, let alone three or less.
2) We need another closer. Jansen is simply not the guy he once was; cannot close multiple days in a row and absolutely cannot and should not be called upon for multiple innings, even if it’s only for one out in the eighth.
Has Urias pitched yet in relief? I know Strip threw yesterday and the day before (although as a “supposed” long reliever, one has to question Doc holding him until the eighth and allowing gas can Kelly to almost give ANOTHER game away).
These two guys were supposed to “shore up” the pen after Kersh and Hill came back off IL. Does the pen look any sharper to anyone? It certainly doesn’t to me.
Get Kimbrel or Keuchel - better yet - get BOTH! Suck it up and take the hit for Kelly. After all - they did it for Bailey and after a rough start or two, he’s at least at 3 - 3. And his five plus ERA (primarily due to his first couple of outings) is half that of Kelly’s.
Time to cut bait and run.
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Post by 88bulldog on May 7, 2019 16:25:30 GMT
Urias lookeed really good in the 9th last night.
As for Kimbrell, I don't see that happening, especially if he continues to say he has to be the closer. I haven't seen that he has budged on that demand yet.
Kimbrell likely won't be signed by anyone until after the draft. That's just a guess on my part. What's the point of doing it now and losing the draft pick?
As for the amount he's going to get I'm not sure he fits in with the Dodgers plans. If the luxury tax truly is an issue then I wouldn't count on it. I don't like the years he's going to get anyway.
As for Kuechel I would also take a pass. He's on the downside and he's probably a downgrade to what we have already. Doubt he does any better then Maeda or Stripling. He's also likely not signing until after the draft next month.
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Post by Blunashun on May 7, 2019 21:00:00 GMT
Urias lookeed really good in the 9th last night.
As for Kimbrell, I don't see that happening, especially if he continues to say he has to be the closer. I haven't seen that he has budged on that demand yet.Kimbrell likely won't be signed by anyone until after the draft. That's just a guess on my part. What's the point of doing it now and losing the draft pick? As for the amount he's going to get I'm not sure he fits in with the Dodgers plans. If the luxury tax truly is an issue then I wouldn't count on it. I don't like the years he's going to get anyway. As for Kuechel I would also take a pass. He's on the downside and he's probably a downgrade to what we have already. Doubt he does any better then Maeda or Stripling. He's also likely not signing until after the draft next month. Yes he did, & what a twit Kimbrel is for making those demands. he's in no position to make demands. He's already shown his desperation by backing off 100 million dollars. |
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Post by 88bulldog on May 8, 2019 4:08:58 GMT
I pass on both.
right now we are the best team in the league. I think they figure out the bullpen without spending 50+ million. It’s still early. Kelly is a problem right now though, that could have been a mistake,
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Post by 20DodgerMiracle24 on May 8, 2019 4:54:29 GMT
Anyone else worried about this besides me? Okay - it’s only been just over a month. Two things I feel are certain: 1) We signed the wrong Red Sock. Joe Kelly sucks and I don’t trust him with a ten run lead, let alone three or less. 2) We need another closer. Jansen is simply not the guy he once was; cannot close multiple days in a row and absolutely cannot and should not be called upon for multiple innings, even if it’s only for one out in the eighth. Has Urias pitched yet in relief? I know Strip threw yesterday and the day before (although as a “supposed” long reliever, one has to question Doc holding him until the eighth and allowing gas can Kelly to almost give ANOTHER game away). These two guys were supposed to “shore up” the pen after Kersh and Hill came back off IL. Does the pen look any sharper to anyone? It certainly doesn’t to me. Get Kimbrel or Keuchel - better yet - get BOTH! Suck it up and take the hit for Kelly. After all - they did it for Bailey and after a rough start or two, he’s at least at 3 - 3. And his five plus ERA (primarily due to his first couple of outings) is half that of Kelly’s. Time to cut bait and run. GO DODGERS!!! You've won me over: Kelly is our worst signing since Andruw Jones. I'm all for giving new players a chance and letting them get thru rough spots, but come on, the season is seven weeks in now, and he can't get any clutch outs, and many he does get are loud and long. A career ERA os about 3.9 is tolerable, but how does his soar to over 9? Maybe he should just be sent down to AAA to work on whatever's ailing his pitching and bring up JT Chargois or Tony Gonsolin (a good way to break him into the bigs before he joins the rotation), cos at this rate, Kelly will blow the division title for us. |
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Post by jrgreene6 on May 8, 2019 5:04:10 GMT
I pass on both. right now we are the best team in the league. I think they figure out the bullpen without spending 50+ million. It’s still early. Kelly is a problem right now though, that could have been a mistake, About half of our losses are on Kelly and at least a couple more would be had the O not bailed his ass out. Jansen has vultured two wins this year by blowing saves and then having the O bail him out. So that’s close to three quarters of losses or near losses. The pen has issues - there’s no doubt about that. Loved what Urias did last night. Perhaps he could be used in that capacity more often and take a little pressure off of Kenley as well as keep him from those three or four games in a row / multi-inning saves. The offense has looked very good thus far but I gotta think it’s going to eventually cool off at some point. Our starters have also excelled. But it’s going to be those low scoring, 2 - 1, 3 - 2 games that we’re going to need an improved pen to keep those games the W column. And what we’ve seen thus far hasn’t shown they can. And you’re right - probably little to no chance they sign either of the “K’s” with tax and draft pick concerns. I’d like to think that come October, we don’t have a pen that bites us in the ass again. GO DODGERS!!!! |
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Post by 88bulldog on May 8, 2019 14:33:31 GMT
I pass on both. right now we are the best team in the league. I think they figure out the bullpen without spending 50+ million. It’s still early. Kelly is a problem right now though, that could have been a mistake, . Jansen has vultured two wins this year by blowing saves and then having the O bail him out. So that’s close to three quarters of losses or near losses. The pen has issues - there’s no doubt about that. Loved what Urias did last night. Perhaps he could be used in that capacity more often and take a little pressure off of Kenley as well as keep him from those three or four games in a row / multi-inning saves. The offense has looked very good thus far but I gotta think it’s going to eventually cool off at some point. Our starters have also excelled. But it’s going to be those low scoring, 2 - 1, 3 - 2 games that we’re going to need an improved pen to keep those games the W column. And what we’ve seen thus far hasn’t shown they can. And you’re right - probably little to no chance they sign either of the “K’s” with tax and draft pick concerns. I’d like to think that come October, we don’t have a pen that bites us in the ass again.
GO DODGERS!!!!
I agree that I don't like Kelly either but that's not true. He has 2 blown leads and 1 blown save. We have 14 losses. Obviously the other day he sucked but we did win the game. We obviously need the bullpen to be better, and once they are look out!
As for Kuechel, don't need him. A waste of money, at best he is a slight upgrade over the #5 starter. Kimbrell would depend on the money, probably too expensive and he wants to be the closer anyway. Doesn't appear to be a good fit to me.
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Post by Blunashun on May 8, 2019 21:52:57 GMT
Ryu is one smart guy. He figured out what we couldn't. Just don''t let the bullpen in the game.  |
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Post by jrgreene6 on May 9, 2019 4:00:59 GMT
About half of our losses are on Kelly and at least a couple more would be had the O not bailed his ass out. Jansen has vultured two wins this year by blowing saves and then having the O bail him out. So that’s close to three quarters of losses or near losses. The pen has issues - there’s no doubt about that. Loved what Urias did last night. Perhaps he could be used in that capacity more often and take a little pressure off of Kenley as well as keep him from those three or four games in a row / multi-inning saves. The offense has looked very good thus far but I gotta think it’s going to eventually cool off at some point. Our starters have also excelled. But it’s going to be those low scoring, 2 - 1, 3 - 2 games that we’re going to need an improved pen to keep those games the W column. And what we’ve seen thus far hasn’t shown they can. And you’re right - probably little to no chance they sign either of the “K’s” with tax and draft pick concerns. I’d like to think that come October, we don’t have a pen that bites us in the ass again.
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I agree that I don't like Kelly either but that's not true. He has 2 blown leads and 1 blown save. We have 14 losses. Obviously the other day he sucked but we did win the game. We obviously need the bullpen to be better, and once they are look out!
As for Kuechel, don't need him. A waste of money, at best he is a slight upgrade over the #5 starter. Kimbrell would depend on the money, probably too expensive and he wants to be the closer anyway. Doesn't appear to be a good fit to me.
I might be exaggerating a little, but I think your stats might not be telling the whole Kelly story. He blew chunks in his first three appearances and while he may not have gotten a loss or blown hold / save in any of those games, I believe we still end up with a big L in at least two of the three, if not all three. And even though we have come back to bail him out a number of times, I still believe he had his ugly hand in more than the three you mentioned, again even if he didn’t ultimately get tagged with the L or blown hold / save himself. I’ve only seen him throw decently in two games and again, he’s probably had more no hit / no run innings than those two I saw. And I’m genuinely hoping Doc doesn’t do something stupid like bringing him into the game tonight with only a three run lead. Kersh has pitched well and certainly deserves the W; Kelly is 50 / 50 at best to cost him that W. GO DODGERS!!! |
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Post by jrgreene6 on May 9, 2019 6:00:29 GMT
And just like that Kelly proves me WRONG again! Dude looked unhitable tonight, albeit with a five run lead.
Still work to be done there, but I’m confident Kasten and Co. will pull the trigger when they need to.
They may not get the marquee / big name stars we all hope for, but they’ve put together winner after winner since they took over.
Of course, we’re all still looking for another title - but you gotta be in it to win it and we’ve definitely been IN it!
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Post by 88bulldog on May 9, 2019 13:53:30 GMT
And just like that Kelly proves me WRONG again! Dude looked unhitable tonight, albeit with a five run lead. Still work to be done there, but I’m confident Kasten and Co. will pull the trigger when they need to. They may not get the marquee / big name stars we all hope for, but they’ve put together winner after winner since they took over. Of course, we’re all still looking for another title - but you gotta be in it to win it and we’ve definitely been IN it! GO DODGERS!!! We agree Kelly has been terrible, just not that he cost them half their losses. Only a few outings this year so far where he hasn't allowed a base runner.
I'm also with you that the FO will do something about it before the deadline. They always do.
Now besides the bullpen the only other weak link might be Maeda. His inconsistency drives me crazy.
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Post by Blunashun on May 10, 2019 18:13:22 GMT
Kenley Jansen would be fine with Craig Kimbrel joining the Dodgers -- just not as their closer
The Dodgers bullpen has had mixed results this season
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The Dodgers (25-14) may be off to a strong start this season, but the team needs help in the bullpen. The offseason acquisition of Joe Kelly hasn't gone too great for L.A. so far this season, and the team's closer Kenley Jansen is allowing more runs than he used to. For a closer look at the back end's struggles, here's Matt Snyder with more.
But there is an available solution for the Dodgers bullpen, and that's free agent closer Craig Kimbrel. Kimbrel, who remains unsigned, has pitched nine seasons and has collected 333 career saves to go along with a 1.91 ERA. After June 2 (MLB Draft), teams will no longer have to forfeit a draft pick to sign him.
Jansen, the Dodgers established closer, said he wouldn't mind Kimbrel as a teammate.
"Why not?" Jansen told Dylan Hernandez of the Los Angeles Times on Wednesday. "We want to win a championship, right?"
But Jansen also made it clear that he wasn't ready to give up the closing role to Kimbrel.
"That's what I get paid for," Jansen told Hernandez. "I get paid for closing ballgames. Why should I have to do anything different? That's my question. It doesn't make any sense."
Jansen, 31, has posted a 4.67 ERA and allowed four home runs over 17 1/3 innings this season.
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Post by Blunashun on May 10, 2019 18:18:02 GMT
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