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Post by Paulo46 on Oct 10, 2023 22:15:02 GMT
Dodgers must move on from Dave Roberts and Clayton Kershaw. A new voice is needed in the clubhouse. Roberts and Dodgers have had the best season record three times only to come up short in playoffs. Kershaw has never been a big game pitcher and now his body has given out. Hope he does the right thing and retires.
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Post by jrgreene6 on Oct 10, 2023 22:40:09 GMT
Dodgers must move on from Dave Roberts and Clayton Kershaw. A new voice is needed in the clubhouse. Roberts and Dodgers have had the best season record three times only to come up short in playoffs. Kershaw has never been a big game pitcher and now his body has given out. Hope he does the right thing and retires. I agree 100% on Roberts. But I’d be willing to bet Kershaw will be back next year, especially if they lose tomorrow. I doubt he would want to leave the game with last Saturday’s stinker as his finalé. I also think it was a mistake and blame Daisy for throwing him out there in the opener. His postseason tendencies notwithstanding, he hadn’t thrown in over a week and was limited to only four or five innings his last few games. We’ve seen this before with Kershaw, who seems to be a HUGE creature of habit when it comes to his days in between starts. As long as he gets into his normal rhythm of bullpen sessions and goes every five days, he’s fine. But even that one extra day off has resulted in less than stellar performances in the regular season, let alone over a week. And if it’s a mental thing come October, best case would be to leave him off the roster entirely, which I don’t see happening or start him third or even fourth in the rotation. Obviously, LA did not have that luxury this year with Kersh being truly the only legitimate starter with any postseason experience other than Lynn. And are they going to start a late season acquisition that can’t keep balls in the park over one of the all time GOATS? Not bloody likely. GO DODGERS!!!
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Post by 20DodgerMiracle24 on Oct 11, 2023 3:09:09 GMT
Dodgers must move on from Dave Roberts and Clayton Kershaw. A new voice is needed in the clubhouse. Roberts and Dodgers have had the best season record three times only to come up short in playoffs. Kershaw has never been a big game pitcher and now his body has given out. Hope he does the right thing and retires. I agree 100% on Roberts. But I’d be willing to bet Kershaw will be back next year, especially if they lose tomorrow. I doubt he would want to leave the game with last Saturday’s stinker as his finalé. I also think it was a mistake and blame Daisy for throwing him out there in the opener. His postseason tendencies notwithstanding, he hadn’t thrown in over a week and was limited to only four or five innings his last few games. We’ve seen this before with Kershaw, who seems to be a HUGE creature of habit when it comes to his days in between starts. As long as he gets into his normal rhythm of bullpen sessions and goes every five days, he’s fine. But even that one extra day off has resulted in less than stellar performances in the regular season, let alone over a week. And if it’s a mental thing come October, best case would be to leave him off the roster entirely, which I don’t see happening or start him third or even fourth in the rotation. Obviously, LA did not have that luxury this year with Kersh being truly the only legitimate starter with any postseason experience other than Lynn. And are they going to start a late season acquisition that can’t keep balls in the park over one of the all time GOATS? Not bloody likely. GO DODGERS!!! Honestly, how can you blame Robby for the pitchers' poor performances? While you're at it, why not blame Biden for people commiting violent crime? IT's about the same excuse for logic. I don't like him anymore than you do, but people are responsible for crimes, NOT gov't, unless they themselves commit the crimes. Kersh is a seasoned pro and though his body is indeed breaking down, he had a long rest before his start Saturday. Though the bullpen did a resonably good job, the hitters didn't come thru, and again last nite, with the bases loaded. And Miller time was pretty dull. You must blame the players, or credit the Snakes for great, clutch pitching. With Mookie and the Free Man leading the lineup, it should be unbeatable. I lay ALL the blame on the players.
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Post by jrgreene6 on Oct 11, 2023 4:39:54 GMT
I agree 100% on Roberts. But I’d be willing to bet Kershaw will be back next year, especially if they lose tomorrow. I doubt he would want to leave the game with last Saturday’s stinker as his finalé. I also think it was a mistake and blame Daisy for throwing him out there in the opener. His postseason tendencies notwithstanding, he hadn’t thrown in over a week and was limited to only four or five innings his last few games. We’ve seen this before with Kershaw, who seems to be a HUGE creature of habit when it comes to his days in between starts. As long as he gets into his normal rhythm of bullpen sessions and goes every five days, he’s fine. But even that one extra day off has resulted in less than stellar performances in the regular season, let alone over a week. And if it’s a mental thing come October, best case would be to leave him off the roster entirely, which I don’t see happening or start him third or even fourth in the rotation. Obviously, LA did not have that luxury this year with Kersh being truly the only legitimate starter with any postseason experience other than Lynn. And are they going to start a late season acquisition that can’t keep balls in the park over one of the all time GOATS? Not bloody likely. GO DODGERS!!! Honestly, how can you blame Robby for the pitchers' poor performances? While you're at it, why not blame Biden for people commiting violent crime? IT's about the same excuse for logic. I don't like him anymore than you do, but people are responsible for crimes, NOT gov't, unless they themselves commit the crimes. Kersh is a seasoned pro and though his body is indeed breaking down, he had a long rest before his start Saturday. Though the bullpen did a resonably good job, the hitters didn't come thru, and again last nite, with the bases loaded. And Miller time was pretty dull. You must blame the players, or credit the Snakes for great, clutch pitching. With Mookie and the Free Man leading the lineup, it should be unbeatable. I lay ALL the blame on the players. While I DO hold the players responsible for their performances, or lack thereof, there is one common element over the last near decade. The players have changed nearly every year and we’ve had some of the strongest rosters and rotations for most of those years with the exception of 2023. So to me, a good deal of the blame goes to motivation and Daisy simply doesn’t seem to have that quality or ability. And he HAS cost us postseason games with bad analytical based decisions, like batting at .180 Wong last night with the bases juiced. At least Rojas had been in the game and had a hit. A cold .180 hitter coming off the bench in a crucial game and ever more crucial situation had FAIL written all over it. Pulling Hill in Game 4 when we had a VERY good chance to tie up the series with Boston. Throwing Kersh out of the pen against the Nats. Starting Kersh in Game 1 of this series. These are all poor decisions Daisy has made that cost us games. And these are just the ones off the top of my head. How does a team that consistently wins 100 games and division titles suddenly forget how to hit and pitch when the calendar turns October? Again - the only constant has been Daisy & the Fraud. They need to go. Both of them. GO DODGERS!!!
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Post by truedodger on Oct 11, 2023 17:05:04 GMT
I don't know if the dimwit was joking but he was quoted saying that he's getting better as a manager in postseason. In what fucking world does one get to learn on the job of a multi- billion dollar business.
I don't have a shred of respect for the fucker because he has zero balls. At some point in postseason you have to say fuck my geek bosses pull his thumb out of his ass and ACTIVELY manage. Someone like that has no belief in his abilities. He must know that no other club would hire him eventhough the talking heads always cite his winning record.
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Post by truedodger on Oct 11, 2023 17:09:10 GMT
Dodgers must move on from Dave Roberts and Clayton Kershaw. A new voice is needed in the clubhouse. Roberts and Dodgers have had the best season record three times only to come up short in playoffs. Kershaw has never been a big game pitcher and now his body has given out. Hope he does the right thing and retires. I agree 100% on Roberts. But I’d be willing to bet Kershaw will be back next year, especially if they lose tomorrow. I doubt he would want to leave the game with last Saturday’s stinker as his finalé. I also think it was a mistake and blame Daisy for throwing him out there in the opener. His postseason tendencies notwithstanding, he hadn’t thrown in over a week and was limited to only four or five innings his last few games. We’ve seen this before with Kershaw, who seems to be a HUGE creature of habit when it comes to his days in between starts. As long as he gets into his normal rhythm of bullpen sessions and goes every five days, he’s fine. But even that one extra day off has resulted in less than stellar performances in the regular season, let alone over a week. And if it’s a mental thing come October, best case would be to leave him off the roster entirely, which I don’t see happening or start him third or even fourth in the rotation. Obviously, LA did not have that luxury this year with Kersh being truly the only legitimate starter with any postseason experience other than Lynn. And are they going to start a late season acquisition that can’t keep balls in the park over one of the all time GOATS? Not bloody likely. GO DODGERS!!! See, this is where I don't see it. We ALL know Kersh is one of the best in- season but especially now once postseason rolls around he should be no higher than the 4th starter, maybe 3rd pushing it with this rotation but not higher.
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Post by truedodger on Oct 11, 2023 17:17:08 GMT
I agree 100% on Roberts. But I’d be willing to bet Kershaw will be back next year, especially if they lose tomorrow. I doubt he would want to leave the game with last Saturday’s stinker as his finalé. I also think it was a mistake and blame Daisy for throwing him out there in the opener. His postseason tendencies notwithstanding, he hadn’t thrown in over a week and was limited to only four or five innings his last few games. We’ve seen this before with Kershaw, who seems to be a HUGE creature of habit when it comes to his days in between starts. As long as he gets into his normal rhythm of bullpen sessions and goes every five days, he’s fine. But even that one extra day off has resulted in less than stellar performances in the regular season, let alone over a week. And if it’s a mental thing come October, best case would be to leave him off the roster entirely, which I don’t see happening or start him third or even fourth in the rotation. Obviously, LA did not have that luxury this year with Kersh being truly the only legitimate starter with any postseason experience other than Lynn. And are they going to start a late season acquisition that can’t keep balls in the park over one of the all time GOATS? Not bloody likely. GO DODGERS!!! Honestly, how can you blame Robby for the pitchers' poor performances? While you're at it, why not blame Biden for people commiting violent crime? IT's about the same excuse for logic. I don't like him anymore than you do, but people are responsible for crimes, NOT gov't, unless they themselves commit the crimes. Kersh is a seasoned pro and though his body is indeed breaking down, he had a long rest before his start Saturday. Though the bullpen did a resonably good job, the hitters didn't come thru, and again last nite, with the bases loaded. And Miller time was pretty dull. You must blame the players, or credit the Snakes for great, clutch pitching. With Mookie and the Free Man leading the lineup, it should be unbeatable. I lay ALL the blame on the players. Very different situation 21, yes while the players play an on hands manager puts his players in the best position to perform. Everything has changed over time, players, coaches, staff, GM and the constant is that dimwit. The world knows Kersh for some freakin' reason is not as good in postseason, it hasn't happened once or twice, it's historical. So, drop him at least down to being a 3rd starter. Then the offense yes is not hitting. But again it's not the first postseason. Did you see the Snakes moving guys over. They're on the verge of knocking the Dodgers out after finishing 16 games back. It's pretty evident that there's regular season managing and then there's postseason urgency managing. Again, everything has changed over time, players, coaches, staff, GM except for the dimwit in the dugout.
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Post by jrgreene6 on Oct 11, 2023 19:44:51 GMT
Honestly, how can you blame Robby for the pitchers' poor performances? While you're at it, why not blame Biden for people commiting violent crime? IT's about the same excuse for logic. I don't like him anymore than you do, but people are responsible for crimes, NOT gov't, unless they themselves commit the crimes. Kersh is a seasoned pro and though his body is indeed breaking down, he had a long rest before his start Saturday. Though the bullpen did a resonably good job, the hitters didn't come thru, and again last nite, with the bases loaded. And Miller time was pretty dull. You must blame the players, or credit the Snakes for great, clutch pitching. With Mookie and the Free Man leading the lineup, it should be unbeatable. I lay ALL the blame on the players. Very different situation 21, yes while the players play an on hands manager puts his players in the best position to perform. Everything has changed over time, players, coaches, staff, GM and the constant is that dimwit. The world knows Kersh for some freakin' reason is not as good in postseason, it hasn't happened once or twice, it's historical. So, drop him at least down to being a 3rd starter. Then the offense yes is not hitting. But again it's not the first postseason. Did you see the Snakes moving guys over. They're on the verge of knocking the Dodgers out after finishing 16 games back. It's pretty evident that there's regular season managing and then there's postseason urgency managing. Again, everything has changed over time, players, coaches, staff, GM except for the dimwit in the dugout. Exactly what I said about starting 3rd or 4th Kershaw in my post, TD. And if he returns next year and we make it to October, that’s where he should find himself. Ferris will be back and unless we go out and spring for an ace, he’ll likely be #1 with Miller sliding into the #2 spot. After that, it’s a crap shoot between Kersh & Lynn (if re-signed). Unfortunately, the above scenario wasn’t an option this year. Kershaw & Lynn were the only two starters with any postseason experience. No way do you hand the ball to Lynn for the opener. So that left Miller & Kershaw. I’d have gone with Miller to open if it was me, despite his lack of postseason experience. Remember how Ferris rose up and pitched his ass off given the opportunity? Same might have happened with Miller. Allowing Kershaw to give up six while recording only one out was also on Daisy. From the opening laser shot to Outman to the last hit (double) he gave up, it was fairly obvious to everybody BUT dumbkopf that Clayton just didn’t have it AGAIN! I would be shocked if LA wins tonight and forces another game in the desert. And as far as I can remember, Kershaw hasn’t pitched well EVER on four days rest, let alone his Achilles heel, the postseason. We can only hope that if we do happen to pull out a W tonight, dingbat will rethink using Kershaw again on Friday. But we both know “rethinking” isn’t his strong suit. GO DODGERS!!!
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 12, 2023 0:12:13 GMT
Let's not forget who really let us down: Fucking Julio Urias. He let EVERYBODY down. That's including himself. If he wasn't mandated to attend counseling, he should have anyway. That wouldn't have been punishment. Your punishment is coming.
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Post by 20DodgerMiracle24 on Oct 12, 2023 2:11:20 GMT
Very different situation 21, yes while the players play an on hands manager puts his players in the best position to perform. Everything has changed over time, players, coaches, staff, GM and the constant is that dimwit. The world knows Kersh for some freakin' reason is not as good in postseason, it hasn't happened once or twice, it's historical. So, drop him at least down to being a 3rd starter. Then the offense yes is not hitting. But again it's not the first postseason. Did you see the Snakes moving guys over. They're on the verge of knocking the Dodgers out after finishing 16 games back. It's pretty evident that there's regular season managing and then there's postseason urgency managing. Again, everything has changed over time, players, coaches, staff, GM except for the dimwit in the dugout. Exactly what I said about starting 3rd or 4th Kershaw in my post, TD. And if he returns next year and we make it to October, that’s where he should find himself. Ferris will be back and unless we go out and spring for an ace, he’ll likely be #1 with Miller sliding into the #2 spot. After that, it’s a crap shoot between Kersh & Lynn (if re-signed). Unfortunately, the above scenario wasn’t an option this year. Kershaw & Lynn were the only two starters with any postseason experience. No way do you hand the ball to Lynn for the opener. So that left Miller & Kershaw. I’d have gone with Miller to open if it was me, despite his lack of postseason experience. Remember how Ferris rose up and pitched his ass off given the opportunity? Same might have happened with Miller. Allowing Kershaw to give up six while recording only one out was also on Daisy.
From the opening laser shot to Outman to the last hit (double) he gave up, it was fairly obvious to everybody BUT dumbkopf that Clayton just didn’t have it AGAIN! I would be shocked if LA wins tonight and forces another game in the desert. And as far as I can remember, Kershaw hasn’t pitched well EVER on four days rest, let alone his Achilles heel, the postseason.
We can only hope that if we do happen to pull out a W tonight, dingbat will rethink using Kershaw again on Friday. But we both know “rethinking” isn’t his strong suit. GO DODGERS!!! Anything wrong with blaming Kersh? Robby was as patient as he could've been. When should've he have pulled Kersh, after 3 runs? He's a seasoned vet and is capable of shutting down the opposition in a heartbeat. Kersh blew that opening game, NOT Robby. The entire rotation since opening day has been hurt at times, and now it's Kersh at the worst possible time. And yes, he's pitched poorly in the WS in the past, save for '17, and thanks to the Trashtros beating on the cans, he'd have won that game too. And he's done poorly in all star games. NONE OF THAT IS ROBBY'S FALUT. And Kersh didn't have 4 days off, more like 9. If there's a game 5 he won't pitch well in that either. He's done.
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Post by jrgreene6 on Oct 12, 2023 3:29:53 GMT
Exactly what I said about starting 3rd or 4th Kershaw in my post, TD. And if he returns next year and we make it to October, that’s where he should find himself. Ferris will be back and unless we go out and spring for an ace, he’ll likely be #1 with Miller sliding into the #2 spot. After that, it’s a crap shoot between Kersh & Lynn (if re-signed). Unfortunately, the above scenario wasn’t an option this year. Kershaw & Lynn were the only two starters with any postseason experience. No way do you hand the ball to Lynn for the opener. So that left Miller & Kershaw. I’d have gone with Miller to open if it was me, despite his lack of postseason experience. Remember how Ferris rose up and pitched his ass off given the opportunity? Same might have happened with Miller. Allowing Kershaw to give up six while recording only one out was also on Daisy.
From the opening laser shot to Outman to the last hit (double) he gave up, it was fairly obvious to everybody BUT dumbkopf that Clayton just didn’t have it AGAIN! I would be shocked if LA wins tonight and forces another game in the desert. And as far as I can remember, Kershaw hasn’t pitched well EVER on four days rest, let alone his Achilles heel, the postseason.
We can only hope that if we do happen to pull out a W tonight, dingbat will rethink using Kershaw again on Friday. But we both know “rethinking” isn’t his strong suit. GO DODGERS!!! Anything wrong with blaming Kersh? Robby was as patient as he could've been. When should've he have pulled Kersh, after 3 runs? He's a seasoned vet and is capable of shutting down the opposition in a heartbeat. Kersh blew that opening game, NOT Robby. The entire rotation since opening day has been hurt at times, and now it's Kersh at the worst possible time. And yes, he's pitched poorly in the WS in the past, save for '17, and thanks to the Trashtros beating on the cans, he'd have won that game too. And he's done poorly in all star games. NONE OF THAT IS ROBBY'S FALUT. And Kersh didn't have 4 days off, more like 9. If there's a game 5 he won't pitch well in that either. He's done. Absolutely I put most of the blame on Kershaw. But the way the Snakes were hitting him right off the bat it was fairly evident that he wasn’t shutting anybody down last Saturday and should have been pulled before giving up six runs with only one out. He’s simply not reliable in big games and the postseason. Everybody on this board knows it. So why put him in that position in a best of five series? Is there a game more important and vital than Game 1? If we know that, why doesn’t Daisy? I’d have thrown Miller in Game 1. Seems to me that worked a few years ago with Buehler. He threw a beauty in Game 1, much to Kershaw’s chagrin. And then Kershaw had one of his best postseason starts ever in Game 2. Could’ve, should’ve, would’ve. I guess we’ll never know. GO DODGERS!!!
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Post by 20DodgerMiracle24 on Oct 12, 2023 3:51:34 GMT
Anything wrong with blaming Kersh? Robby was as patient as he could've been. When should've he have pulled Kersh, after 3 runs? He's a seasoned vet and is capable of shutting down the opposition in a heartbeat. Kersh blew that opening game, NOT Robby. The entire rotation since opening day has been hurt at times, and now it's Kersh at the worst possible time. And yes, he's pitched poorly in the WS in the past, save for '17, and thanks to the Trashtros beating on the cans, he'd have won that game too. And he's done poorly in all star games. NONE OF THAT IS ROBBY'S FALUT. And Kersh didn't have 4 days off, more like 9. If there's a game 5 he won't pitch well in that either. He's done. Absolutely I put most of the blame on Kershaw. But the way the Snakes were hitting him right off the bat it was fairly evident that he wasn’t shutting anybody down last Saturday and should have been pulled before giving up six runs with only one out. e’s simply not reliable in big games and t Hhe postseason. Everybody on this board knows it. So why put him in that position in a best of five series? Is there a game more important and vital than Game 1?
If we know that, why doesn’t Daisy? I’d have thrown Miller in Game 1.Seems to me that worked a few years ago with Buehler. He threw a beauty in Game 1, much to Kershaw’s chagrin. And then Kershaw had one of his best postseason starts ever in Game 2. Could’ve, should’ve, would’ve. I guess we’ll never know. GO DODGERS!!! And that's why he's a distant second in starting pitchers in Dodger history. Koufax did great in the WS, though he did lose that game 2 in the '66 WS, thanks to Walt Alston overusing him, often starting him with 2 days rest. We'll never know how he would've pitched at 35, but as you said, shoulda coulda woulda. Bobby would've been lit up in game 1 also, though with 3 runs allowed but the end result would've been the same. The Dodger bats have been subdued in this series.
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 12, 2023 4:06:45 GMT
Absolutely I put most of the blame on Kershaw. But the way the Snakes were hitting him right off the bat it was fairly evident that he wasn’t shutting anybody down last Saturday and should have been pulled before giving up six runs with only one out. e’s simply not reliable in big games and t Hhe postseason. Everybody on this board knows it. So why put him in that position in a best of five series? Is there a game more important and vital than Game 1?
If we know that, why doesn’t Daisy? I’d have thrown Miller in Game 1.Seems to me that worked a few years ago with Buehler. He threw a beauty in Game 1, much to Kershaw’s chagrin. And then Kershaw had one of his best postseason starts ever in Game 2. Could’ve, should’ve, would’ve. I guess we’ll never know. GO DODGERS!!! And that's why he's a distant second in starting pitchers in Dodger history. Koufax did great in the WS, though he did lose that game 2 in the '66 WS, thanks to Walt Alston overusing him, often starting him with 2 days rest. We'll never know how he would've pitched at 35, but as you said, shoulda coulda woulda. Bobby would've been lit up in game 1 also, though with 3 runs allowed but the end result would've been the same.
The Dodger bats have been subdued in this series. I wonder how disheartening it was to guys like Sheehan & Miller to watch Kershaw dissolve on the mound. Clayton has his own problems. I'm not adding to them. You just HAVE to think about it.
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