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Post by Blunashun on Oct 23, 2019 16:12:09 GMT
Who here wants to enter the playoffs with Kershaw & Darvish? That's what I thought.
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 23, 2019 16:58:25 GMT
Just finished breakfast & had a chance to look over that list a bit more in-depth.
Is Dick Mountain a real name? Reminds me of the old time pitcher Dick Pole.
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Post by truedodger on Oct 23, 2019 18:05:00 GMT
The writer seems to ignore the fact that Gonsolin had pitched fantastically as a starter after his initial start in Arizona. He should have been the 4th starter on the roster and not Rich Hill.
I agree that the rooks probably won't be asked to pile up more than 150 innings pitched.
I also agree that the rooks would provide enough to win the division but there would be question marks once post- season began.
I would do Zack Wheeler out of all that group if Cole (who had a bad game last night) is too expensive and or Starsburg stays with D.C.
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 23, 2019 23:15:03 GMT
This is interesting. I rarely read The Times so it's a bit late.
Dodgers’ cutting-edge hitting philosophies didn’t translate in the postseason
By Jorge Castillo / Staff Writer
Oct. 17, 2019 6:53 PM
One of the Dodgers’ priorities last offseason, following another World Series disappointment, was to improve their approach to hitting. Robert Van Scoyoc, a new-wave instructor whose playing career ended in junior college, was hired to replace Turner Ward, a former major league player, as hitting coach to head the department with hitting strategist Brant Brown. Their objective was to better prepare hitters for the postseason when elite pitching would undoubtedly stand between them and winning a championship.
They implemented ideas with traditional and data-driven methods. The results during the regular season were promising. Throughout the summer, players spoke glowingly about the execution. The Dodgers set a National League record for home runs and scored the most runs in the NL while striking out less frequently and producing in clutch situations more often than in recent years. They were confident they were prepared to counter premier pitching and score more runs in the playoffs.
In the end, they didn’t. The Dodgers confronted the Washington Nationals’ stout starting rotation and did not score enough to avoid losing in five games in the NL Championship Series. While Clayton Kershaw’s latest collapse and Dave Roberts’ latest round of questionable bullpen usage in Game 5 attracted the scorn, the offense failed to provide much of a safety net.
The Dodgers scored 22 runs in the five games against the Nationals. Ten were produced in Game 3, which included a seven-run sixth inning. They scored two runs in Game 2 and one run in Game 4. They didn’t score over the final eight innings of Game 5 after getting three runs against Stephen Strasburg in the first two innings.
“Obviously, we were facing great pitching,” Dodgers president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman said this week. “I don’t think there’s enough credit given to how difficult hitting in the major leagues is, especially against the elite pitching.
“But it definitely fell short of my hopes in terms of how as a team the offense would kind of adapt and tackle the difficulties of October pitching. And I think hopefully it’s another one of those areas that we can focus on this offseason and continue to refine and make better as we go into next year.”
The Dodgers’ optimism during the regular season stemmed largely from making more contact. In 2018, their 22.6% strikeout rate ranked 17th in the majors. In 2019, the Dodgers ranked in the top five for most of the season and finished ninth at 21.6%. Their contact rate on pitches in the strike zone also improved from 28th to 10th. The formula was promising.
But the Dodgers reverted to their previous October struggles once the games mattered again. Of the 135 outs they made in the five games against the Nationals, 64 were strikeouts. Cody Bellinger, the likely National League MVP, went four for 19 with seven strikeouts. Corey Seager went three for 20 with eight strikeouts. A.J. Pollock went 0 for 13 with 11 strikeouts, losing his starting spot along the way. Justin Turner and Max Muncy were the only players with double-digit plate appearances to accrue fewer than five strikeouts.
The Nationals’ starting rotation — consisting of Strasburg, Max Scherzer, Patrick Corbin and Anibal Sanchez — is undoubtedly elite, but the Dodgers were going to have to topple that level of pitching at some point to win the World Series. They knew it, and Friedman believes they didn’t make the proper adjustments.
“I think it’s on all of us,” Friedman said. “But I think human nature is to want to be the hero, which I totally understand. But it’s that in October, I think pitchers feed off that. And they throw less fastballs, they throw less pitches in the zone and I think it’s just that awareness and that second-level thinking and team-wide approach that I think put us in a better position.
“It’s a hard thing to counteract because, again, what they’re doing is the most difficult thing to do in all of sports in my opinion. You have that human instinct, which is, ‘I want to be the hero.’ So it’s a difficult thing to appreciate. Each time before that next pitch, you’re like ‘Here is where he’s going to throw the fastball. This is the one that’s going to be in the zone.’ And in October, it’s not nearly as often as it is in the regular season.”
The Dodgers’ offensive struggles would have been disregarded if Will Smith’s fly ball to right field in the ninth inning of Game 5 went over the wall. Smith believed he had a hit a walk-off home run. He leaped in the air, anticipating the ball would carry as it did for him and countless others during the regular season when balls were flying into the stands every night. Friedman, watching from his suite, thought so too.
But the ball died at the warning track for the inning’s second out. Friedman declined to comment when asked if he believed MLB changed the composition of the baseball for the postseason and whether that altered the Dodgers’ fortunes. But he thought Smith’s ball was a home run.
It had been running in his head in the few days since. But it wasn’t a home run. And, in the end, the Dodgers didn’t score enough.
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Post by truedodger on Oct 24, 2019 1:11:11 GMT
I just think that you don't get the opposing team's #5 at all and you might get the #4 once as well as the #3 starter in post- season. But you do get the #1 and #2 starters twice so that's when analytics fails because you can't do this or that to the #1 and #2 starters in post- season. That in conjunction with guys like Joc, Kike, Smith,and Bellinger swinging for the fences and Seager, Lux and Pollock struggling makes for a terrible offense.
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Post by 20DodgerMiracle24 on Oct 24, 2019 12:39:53 GMT
By making plays for guys like Verlander & Greinke, the Astros pretty much stated they were in a 'win now' mode despite so many good young players. Good for them because it worked. Gone are the days of JR Richard (so sad about him), Nolan Ryan, Phil Niekro and Ken Forsch. But in those days, the 'Stros had that great rotation and no hitting. Imagine a rotation of Verlander, Cole, Richard and Ryan! That foursome above was great enough, but this fantasy rotation would get the 'Stros like 116 wins with the hitting of today. Jose Cruz, Terry Puhl and Bob Watson didn't do them much good. the 'Stros usually ranked last in OPS and if nothing else, their pitching kept them out of the cellar except for '80.
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Post by truedodger on Oct 24, 2019 15:47:27 GMT
Nats win Game 2, 12- 3. That's baseball.
I love what Dave Martinez is doing. He said he is looking for his team to make contact and put the ball in play. Conveying that things can happen as in Bergman making two errors in the top of the 7th that netted 6 runs for them and a 8- 2 lead. He said that there is nothing to gain by a hitter striking out and doing nothing and just turning around and going back to the dug out or guys flying out to the warning track a few feet from the bullpen. Totally agree! His style of playing ball of sacrificing guys over and into scoring position is a big reason why the Nats are where they are on top of their stellar starting pitching of course. This guy gets it. Take that Davey Dumb Dumb, analytics and all that crap!
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 24, 2019 19:46:24 GMT
Go Nats!
Hope Harper is watching.
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 24, 2019 23:57:28 GMT
Los Angeles Dodgers: Why a Joc Pederson trade makes the most sense
by Jason Reed / 1 day ago
1. Joc Pederson is far too inconsistent This might seem like a reason why the Los Angeles Dodgers wouldn’t be able to trade Pederson as other teams would not want to take on an inconsistent bat. However, the overall numbers are there and Pederson could be a big middle-of-the-order bat for a team that needs a slugging lefty.
The problem with Pederson on the Dodgers is that he is far too inconsistent to rely on. When Pederson is swinging a hot bat he is one of the best hitters in the Major Leagues. Pederson during one of his hot streaks feels near-impossible to get out and will rope the ball around the yard.
The problem is that when he is not on a hot streak he is often ice cold. This is not a guy that will get you at least one knock every night. When he is cold it feels like he is unusable.
Throw in the fact that he is virtually unusable against left-handed pitching and the case makes hitself. Often times the Los Angeles Dodgers are making decisions to mask Pederson’s terrible split or cold streak, which as we have seen, can hurt the team.
The cold streaks have happened less often recently which has led to better seasons but they still often more often than his hot streaks.
2. Joc Pederson has better options to replace him I am someone who is really high on Alex Verdugo and I think not having him in the lineup really hurt the Los Angeles Dodgers in this series. Verdugo is someone with great plate discipline and no real splits to his game.
Even if he is not getting hits, you know what you are going to get with Verdugo and that is good at-bats and oftentimes hard contract. That would have been great to have alongside Max Muncy, who shares similar traits and had the best series for LA.
Verdugo is much better in the field, has a better arm and is much more consistent at the plate. He does not come close to the power numbers that Pederson puts up but he still hit .294 with an .817 OPS, 12 home runs, 22 doubles and 44 RBIs.
That is a rookie that put together those kinds of numbers in 377 plate appearances. Not only is he more reliable at the plate but he is much better defensively than Pederson, who can feel like a defensive sore at times.
Most importantly is that there is no platoon with Verdugo and the Dodgers don’t have to only dictate his playing time on platoons. Verdugo hit .327 against southpaws opposed to .281 against right-handed pitching last season.
3. If there was ever a time to trade him, it’s now Joc Pederson has been in the rumor mill for the past few offseasons. Every winter we seemingly explore the idea that Pederson is finally going to make his way out of LA and yet again here we are talking about the exact same thing.
The difference between this winter and past winters, though, is that Pederson is actually in an ideal situation to be traded. I understand why the Los Angeles Dodgers would be hesitant to trade him in the past. This winter is a different story.
The biggest thing working against Pederson staying as a Dodger is his contract. Pederson is in the last year of his arbitration period and I think there is no way that the Dodgers would be willing to match the best offer from free agency to keep Pederson.
So even without a trade, there is a legitimate chance that we don’t see Pederson on the Dodgers past 2020. With outfield depth and interest elsewhere, we could absolutely see Pederson signing with a different team.
That is the important thing to keep in note. If the Dodgers don’t think that they are going to re-sign Pederson then they absolutely should trade him on his last year for something.
It won’t be a huge return as he is on an expiring contract but the Dodgers could do something very similar to what they did with Yasiel Puig last offseason. Even better, if they can somehow get a solid reliever, then they would have been set.
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Post by 20DodgerMiracle24 on Oct 25, 2019 13:10:12 GMT
The writer seems to ignore the fact that Gonsolin had pitched fantastically as a starter after his initial start in Arizona. He should have been the 4th starter on the roster and not Rich Hill. I agree that the rooks probably won't be asked to pile up more than 150 innings pitched. I also agree that the rooks would provide enough to win the division but there would be question marks once post- season began. I would do Zack Wheeler out of all that group if Cole (who had a bad game last night) is too expensive and or Starsburg stays with D.C. The Goose has shown that he can pitch well under pressure. He has enough innings of experience to endure the pressures of the playoffs and world series. Forget his age! Look at Juan Soto, who turned 21 just yesterday I think, and he's proven he can handle Kershaw, Cole and Verlander in the pressure packed post season. And Verlander, for his part, isn't much better than Kershaw in the post season. We scored 3 runs in 7 innings off him in the '17 WS. That's a quality start, but it's also an ERA of 3.86, far higher than he's capable of. I'm for dealing for a more experience starter in the rotation. Goose should be in it also, but May could be the odd man out. It's not good to have two very young pitchers in the rotation who are still classified as prospects. Perhaps a package of May, Pederson and another prospect for a great starter and reliever. This winter will be the most interesting in recent memory.
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Post by 20DodgerMiracle24 on Oct 25, 2019 13:16:25 GMT
Nats win Game 2, 12- 3. That's baseball. I love what Dave Martinez is doing. He said he is looking for his team to make contact and put the ball in play. Conveying that things can happen as in Bergman making two errors in the top of the 7th that netted 6 runs for them and a 8- 2 lead. He said that there is nothing to gain by a hitter striking out and doing nothing and just turning around and going back to the dug out or guys flying out to the warning track a few feet from the bullpen. Totally agree! His style of playing ball of sacrificing guys over and into scoring position is a big reason why the Nats are where they are on top of their stellar starting pitching of course. This guy gets it. Take that Davey Dumb Dumb, analytics and all that crap!True, the game is getting entirley one dimentional, with homers and strikeouts dominating. Sacrificing, hit and run and stolen bases are getting more and more scarce. That's what Ty Cobb hated about the Babe, when he first became a superstar. They later became great pals, but Cobb still did'nt approve how the Babe revolutionized the game, to his dying day. There needs to be more "little ball".
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Post by truedodger on Oct 25, 2019 15:40:16 GMT
Los Angeles Dodgers: Why a Joc Pederson trade makes the most sense by Jason Reed / 1 day ago 1. Joc Pederson is far too inconsistent 2. Joc Pederson has better options to replace him 3. If there was ever a time to trade him, it’s now This is a very good article. I am totally on board for moving Joc for all the reasons the author laid out. But, the single most important factor is that he is in the last year of arbitration and in no universe does it look like he should be offered a free agent contract so move him now and like the author said for something.
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 25, 2019 20:34:25 GMT
Los Angeles Dodgers: Why a Joc Pederson trade makes the most sense by Jason Reed / 1 day ago 1. Joc Pederson is far too inconsistent 2. Joc Pederson has better options to replace him 3. If there was ever a time to trade him, it’s now This is a very good article. I am totally on board for moving Joc for all the reasons the author laid out. But, the single most important factor is that he is in the last year of arbitration and in no universe does it look like he should be offered a free agent contract so move him now and like the author said for something. I agree the Dodgers won't pay him & Verdugo is better anyway. Looks like we're stuck with Pollock.
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 25, 2019 20:37:21 GMT
Nats win Game 2, 12- 3. That's baseball. I love what Dave Martinez is doing. He said he is looking for his team to make contact and put the ball in play. Conveying that things can happen as in Bergman making two errors in the top of the 7th that netted 6 runs for them and a 8- 2 lead. He said that there is nothing to gain by a hitter striking out and doing nothing and just turning around and going back to the dug out or guys flying out to the warning track a few feet from the bullpen. Totally agree! His style of playing ball of sacrificing guys over and into scoring position is a big reason why the Nats are where they are on top of their stellar starting pitching of course. This guy gets it. Take that Davey Dumb Dumb, analytics and all that crap!True, the game is getting entirley one dimentional, with homers and strikeouts dominating. Sacrificing, hit and run and stolen bases are getting more and more scarce. That's what Ty Cobb hated about the Babe, when he first became a superstar. They later became great pals, but Cobb still did'nt approve how the Babe revolutionized the game, to his dying day. There needs to be more "little ball". Believe I read one time Cobb wanted to make a point & hit three homers in one game. He was saying he could do it if he wanted to. Let me check on that though.
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Post by Blunashun on Oct 25, 2019 20:41:29 GMT
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