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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 1:31:00 GMT
Oh, and I'm not using this years small sample sizes to value Kersh, Yu, KJ, Morrow, or Mac, if I didn't make that clear in an earlier post today. Not fair to any of them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 1:35:12 GMT
Knee jerk?? I said nothing about Ryu. Simple question, Speed, just ask yourself, would we be a stronger baseball team with Yu, Morrow and Mac? Of course we would, no question. Ryu is our fifth starter. If Mac was inferior to our number 5 starter he would not be in our rotation, and his value as an injury replacement is nullified by the fact that he would be blocking the promotion of Buehler. So I definitely prefer a roster without McCarthy. And roster decisions are never simple, so that’s just a really silly question. Are you advocating the front office sign every notable free agent and trade for every available player on the trade market? I mean hey, they “make us better” for the very next season and that’s all that matters apparently, right? Who cares what prospects they give up or the length of the contracts they give to free agents or if they payroll goes up to 300 million. Would we be better in the coming year is the ONLY question that matters! "...Are you advocating the front office sign every notable free agent and trade for every available player on the trade market? ..." Now that's a silly question. See my post above to Hunter. |
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Post by speedcity on Apr 6, 2018 1:50:50 GMT
Ryu is our fifth starter. If Mac was inferior to our number 5 starter he would not be in our rotation, and his value as an injury replacement is nullified by the fact that he would be blocking the promotion of Buehler. So I definitely prefer a roster without McCarthy. And roster decisions are never simple, so that’s just a really silly question. Are you advocating the front office sign every notable free agent and trade for every available player on the trade market? I mean hey, they “make us better” for the very next season and that’s all that matters apparently, right? Who cares what prospects they give up or the length of the contracts they give to free agents or if they payroll goes up to 300 million. Would we be better in the coming year is the ONLY question that matters! "...Are you advocating the front office sign every notable free agent and trade for every available player on the trade market? ..." Now that's a silly question. See my post above to Hunter. I thought It was pretty obvious that was a rhetorical question. You were supporting your stance that the FO should have re-signed Yu and Morrow by simply asking, “do they make the team better”, as if that was some mic drop argument ending point. I was pointing out that it’s never that simple, the cost associated with a player matters, a lot. The current state of the payroll matters, a lot. It’s not as simple as “does player X make the team better right now?”, and you know that. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 2:14:48 GMT
"...Are you advocating the front office sign every notable free agent and trade for every available player on the trade market? ..." Now that's a silly question. See my post above to Hunter. I thought It was pretty obvious that was a rhetorical question. You were supporting your stance that the FO should have re-signed Yu and Morrow by simply asking, “do they make the team better”, as if that was some mic drop argument ending point. I was pointing out that it’s never that simple, the cost associated with a player matters, a lot. The current state of the payroll matters, a lot. It’s not as simple as “does player X make the team better right now?”, and you know that. I know all that and considered it at least a month or two ago, even stated it in the old board. I in no way support the resigning of those guys, read into it what you will. Just looking at an overall team talent level is how I'm looking at it, talent now, end of last season, and what we'll need to go far postseason. I think I said it fairly clearly in the Hunter post, the tradeoffs involved. I've considered/factored in tax, timing, talent levels needed, possibly way too much time in it for not getting paid, lolol. We're in good shape now and into the future barring long-term relative to this season injuries to SP's, plural. edit - we're also in good shape "long-term" next season+ with salary position relative to tax. |
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Post by 88bulldog on Apr 6, 2018 2:33:54 GMT
Okay, fair enough. Then you'd have been happy with 6 years and $126M given to Darvish? You'd have been happy with the $21M given to Morrow? And please don't try to tell me McCarthy would have been any kind of long term, quality replacement. Of course not, I totally understand and agree with why we didn't sign those guys, primarily lux./compet. tax issues. If no compet. tax issues I'd think we'd have signed Yu. Morrow, given volatility of RP's way too much and long. Mac, meh, to me he's talentwise a very good #5 or backup, a luxury to have we could afford, but given the tax issues great move to get rid of him and Kazmir. Kazmir sucks. If I had to guess, I'd think an SP will go down, Buehler will save us, but if a 2nd SP goes down then that's a real concern. Mac would lessen the concern-lol. Overall, my orig. post is just acknowledging that the team is currently not as strong a team as end of last year (period, forget the money for a minute), and those three are the big reason. All 3 have differing levels of value, but all still valuable. The team at end of last year was capable of winning the WS, the teams beg. of this and last year were not imo. Yes we can and likely will win the division without them imo, but we will need similar acquisitions via farm/trade etc. to go far. Without those 3 we saved $$$ but traded it for additional risk of failing to make playoffs. I accept the risk because the $$$ saved now allow acquisitions late & future given, and save $$$ in saved tax. But there is risk involved in this I'm not ignoring. I hope that's clear, too lazy to proof it more. If holes, I'm sure you guys will find them, as will I. For now, enough. Explain how many wins Yu, Morrow and McCarthy added to our team last year. Consider we only won by 11 games last year too. so instead of 104, we would have won what? 102? 100? 99? whats the number? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 2:42:21 GMT
That's not the way to measure it. Why were they so valuable last year, each of them? What did each either provide or did we anticipate they would? How do they in their roles strengthen the team? That's how to measure them. It's not simply #'s.
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Post by 88bulldog on Apr 6, 2018 2:47:53 GMT
This from 2009.. don't believe th scorecard.. On the scorecard, Augusta National was 10 yards shorter, with the only official change on the first hole. On the golf course, expanded tee boxes at Nos. 7 and 15, for example, allowed for the tee markers to be moved forward and the holes to be far less frightening. Augusta National is more than a quarter-mile longer than when Tiger Woods won his first Masters, but the length was necessary. It only needed a few years for players to catch up to the changes and overcome their intimidation. It needed a week of good weather, and for a few small adjustments on the tees and greens. _______ 1/4 mile is 1,320 yards?  That's more than 600 for sure... LOL!!! |
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Post by 88bulldog on Apr 6, 2018 2:50:04 GMT
That's not the way to measure it. Why were they so valuable last year, each of them? What did each either provide or did we anticipate they would? How do they in their roles strengthen the team? That's how to measure them. It's not simply #'s. Is absolutely the way to emasure it. Value to team means more wins, no? ---the others post Should have been on the golf board,  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 2:51:26 GMT
A guy who provided what Morrow did is crucial. We need that guy (a guy that can produce like Morrow, not Morrow himself) and he's not on the roster, it seems. Hope he is postseason. lol
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Post by 88bulldog on Apr 6, 2018 2:54:35 GMT
A guy who provided what Morrow did is crucial. We need that guy (a guy that can produce like Morrow, not Morrow himself) and he's not on the roster, it seems. Hope he is postseason. lol Right, but how many wins are you valuing morrow at as compared to the next guy who would be in that role? i say we would go from 104 to POSSIBLY 103. you disagree? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 2:55:04 GMT
Just get to the postseason, then worry about wins. Have a complete roster in the postseason.
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Post by 88bulldog on Apr 6, 2018 3:00:07 GMT
Ok, morrow had a 1.2 rWAR last year and a 1.7 fWAR. Let's call it 1.5.
I'm saying without Morrow last year we would have won exactly 103.5 games at worst. Lol.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 3:02:26 GMT
You're #'s/measurements are obviously flawed.
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Post by 88bulldog on Apr 6, 2018 3:02:33 GMT
Just get to the postseason, then worry about wins. Have a complete roster in the postseason. Ok, and how did morrow fare in the World Series last year? would we have done a game worse in the 2017 regular season but BETTER in the World series ? could we have possibly won the World Series without him last year? Seriously, |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 3:04:09 GMT
bd, you don't think Morrow was crucial last year??
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